Instead of nostalgia, what do you look forward to in the future

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Wolf359 said:
So what about it? Is it bad to have a synthetic eye better than a human eye? You can do tooth implants now, but they're not as good as a real tooth. There's also artificial hips and knee replacements, but they're still not as good as the real thing. But that would be a good thing when they are.
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I think that's the concern people initially have with cloning, especially if you do a partial cloning or cloning a complete person to harvest body parts. To me I have a concern about creating an artificial human mind (whether it is just in AI, in circuits, or biological) and then have to shut it when it / he is self aware, whether it would be considered murder, how far would the line be before it is considered murder or inhumane.

I am not too concerned about "enhancement" via genes, stem cells, bio-farm, cyborg mod, artificial body that human choose to do to themselves, to me they are all just plastic surgery in a different form.
 
aquariuscsm said:
I almost feel we've reached the pinnacle of technology. None of that sci fi stuff is ever going to happen. People back in the 1800s-present still basically have the same lifespan, the only that that's changed is maybe vaccinations against early human diseases. When I trace back my family history as far back as the late 1800s,they all lived to be in their 80s. And I feel social media has definitely ruined the world.
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A lot of the advances are based on existing theories. I don't think we'd ever go faster than the speed of light unless something else comes up that beats general relativity. That might come about when things like dark matter, dark energy, gravity and other mysteries have solutions. Maybe I'm waiting for the grand unified theory. String theory, loop quantum gravity, super symmetry and other theories don't seem to be going anywhere.

General relativity came out in 1915 and things it predicted like gravitational waves ended up being proven correct about 100 years later. There's still evolving things with quantum mechanics. A loophole free test of Bell's inequality was done in 2015. Quantum computing is still increasing the number of quantum bits used.
 
PandaBear said:
I think that's the concern people initially have with cloning, especially if you do a partial cloning or cloning a complete person to harvest body parts. To me I have a concern about creating an artificial human mind (whether it is just in AI, in circuits, or biological) and then have to shut it when it / he is self aware, whether it would be considered murder, how far would the line be before it is considered murder or inhumane.

I am not too concerned about "enhancement" via genes, stem cells, bio-farm, cyborg mod, artificial body that human choose to do to themselves, to me they are all just plastic surgery in a different form.
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That I think would depend on the laws of the country that you're in. Maybe in a rogue state, but there aren't that many of them out there. You might be getting more into philosophy with questions like that. Like where does the light go when you shut it off?

Anyway, I think you've got a pretty far ways to go in order to clone human parts. Takes 18 years for a human to reach adulthood. Just cloning doesn't really change that time frame. That's a serious concern if you can clone something and reach full adulthood in a year instead of waiting 18 years.
 
Wolf359 said:
That's a serious concern if you can clone something and reach full adulthood in a year instead of waiting 18 years.
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If scientist by experiment figure out how human brain neurons wired up and map it to AI, you can do that in the time span of a MRI scan.
 
Wolf359 said:
So what about it? Is it bad to have a synthetic eye better than a human eye? You can do tooth implants now, but they're not as good as a real tooth. There's also artificial hips and knee replacements, but they're still not as good as the real thing. But that would be a good thing when they are.
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The point is all current prosthetics are meant to restore some functionality that the person lost. They're not meant to enhance.

My point is that when the technology becomes so good that people with perfectly normal, functioning parts start enhancing themselves.
 
OppositeLocK said:
The point is all current prosthetics are meant to restore some functionality that the person lost. They're not meant to enhance.

My point is that when the technology becomes so good that people with perfectly normal, functioning parts start enhancing themselves.
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You do make a point, but what is your point? It's good that things are better. There's actually leg prosthetics that allow people to run faster by having a longer stride. So in some sense, it's better than the original but you're still missing other features of a real leg. You could say that enhancements are there now. We have smart phones that can do calculations, memorizations, etc. Basically you have access to the entire knowledge of the human race at your fingertips and we didn't have that before. What of it? I don't think it's a bad thing that we shouldn't have, we have it already.
 
Wolf359 said:
You do make a point, but what is your point? It's good that things are better. There's actually leg prosthetics that allow people to run faster by having a longer stride. So in some sense, it's better than the original but you're still missing other features of a real leg. You could say that enhancements are there now. We have smart phones that can do calculations, memorizations, etc. Basically you have access to the entire knowledge of the human race at your fingertips and we didn't have that before. What of it? I don't think it's a bad thing that we shouldn't have, we have it already.
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Well when people become part machine what is life even?
 
OppositeLocK said:
Well when people become part machine what is life even?
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I don't follow your question or your point. Are you trying to keep a time that doesn't exist anymore? I know dead people walking around today. Or rather, they were technically dead because they were on an ECMO machine, no lungs, no heart function. Machine kept them alive til their hearts/lungs worked again. Life now is basically DNA, is DNA that special? Machine life might be equal to DNA life at some point. Life is life?
 
Wolf359 said:
I don't follow your question or your point. Are you trying to keep a time that doesn't exist anymore? I know dead people walking around today. Or rather, they were technically dead because they were on an ECMO machine, no lungs, no heart function. Machine kept them alive til their hearts/lungs worked again. Life now is basically DNA, is DNA that special? Machine life might be equal to DNA life at some point. Life is life?
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So part human, part robot/AI is perfectly fine for you? Well it's not for me. I don't look forward to technology outpacing humanism.

Why don't we all just lay in chairs, put on virtual reality headsets, and feel like we live any life we want. If it felt exactly like the real thing, and you couldn't tell the difference, why live a real life at all then?
 
OppositeLocK said:
Well when people become part machine what is life even?
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If he's like my supervisor, what his life is, is WAY better, if he qualifies as 'part machine' or part robot. He had brain electrodes implanted and wires run down his neck to a pacemaker in his chest, which is then controlled by a Bluetooth unit he holds up to his chest to increase or decrease electrical stimulation, all to control his Parkinsons. Stuff that would have been science fiction in 1950. Now instead of walking into walls, stumbling everywhere he walked, losing his balance and talking too slow and stuttered you could barely make out what he is saying, which pretty much sums up his life six months ago, he drives himself to work, holds normal conversations, works on his cars, and takes care of 5+ acres while building an addition to his house. Without that machine in his head and chest he'd be done in about 2-3 years. With it, he's good for another 10+ years, maybe more. Why anyone would see that as a bad thing, I have no idea.
 
RedSpider said:
If he's like my supervisor, what his life is, is WAY better, if he qualifies as 'part machine' or part robot. He had brain electrodes implanted and wires run down his neck to a pacemaker in his chest, which is then controlled by a Bluetooth unit he holds up to his chest to increase or decrease electrical stimulation, all to control his Parkinsons. Stuff that would have been science fiction in 1950. Now instead of walking into walls, stumbling everywhere he walked, losing his balance and talking too slow and stuttered you could barely make out what he is saying, which pretty much sums up his life six months ago, he drives himself to work, holds normal conversations, works on his cars, and takes care of 5+ acres while building an addition to his house. Without that machine in his head and chest he'd be done in about 2-3 years. With it, he's good for another 10+ years, maybe more. Why anyone would see that as a bad thing, I have no idea.
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Which is wonderful and which I am for.

But there is a dichotomy. That technology restores function, it doesn't grant special powers.
 
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