Man oh man, what oil got you to the 285k mile mark? I'd stick with it!!!
I'm jumping on the thin bandwagon
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I think in the conventionals Valvoline All-Climate is a bit better oil. And it is just as good as the more expensive synthetics. Check for yourself.
Ron, I dont doubt valvoline is a fine oil but it's usually a tad pricey around here. I can find Havoline for a little under $2 and it has proven itself time and time again.
It's not that Vavoline isn't a good oil but as others have pointed out it's pricey. And as I recall it's UOA's were ok for most 3,000 OCI's but after that the oil appeared "used up" in the UOA's and protection decreased. Havoline is an oil that has turned in real good 5,000 OCI's. Also, the Motorcraft stats you have are ancient. Get the current stats from the Conoco site. Last I heard Conoco was still making the Motorcraft oil.
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I see others have responded, but if you want to debate these conclusions I would be most happy to. Just say what you are thinking. If you only want to post silly icons, well ......
I see others have responded, but if you want to debate these conclusions I would be most happy to. Just say what you are thinking. If you only want to post silly icons, well ......
Clayton, I'm from Canada and don't relate to prices in the US. If all oils in the US tend to group together, then I think the Conoco blend is even better than the Valvoline. If you lived in Canada, then Petrocan conventional 5w20 is better still.
Perhaps I'm a bit of a BITOG rebel, but I see nothing special about this Havoline stuff. Just like the Castrol GC elves.
Perhaps I'm a bit of a BITOG rebel, but I see nothing special about this Havoline stuff. Just like the Castrol GC elves.
Okay, how about this: All things being equal, a lower VI is generally an indication of LESS VI improver being used to formulate the final product. Hence, on your chart, the oils with the lower VIs may be better.
One of our resident experts on here has praised Valvoline for the R&D that goes into their SynPower line, but criticized them for their All Climate oils as being blended to just meet the minimum requirements for API/ILSAC certification. His comments about Valvoline All Climate have been substantiated, IMO, by looking at UOAs posted on here where people have pushed these oils significantly beyond a 3000 mile OCI.
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Nice post Newb.. We all appreciate Ron's stuff, it's all food for thought, and you'll notice Ron didn't complain, only offered up to G a challenge. A throwing down of the gauntlet, as it were. To which G responded, to which Ron will no doubt ALSO respond. Makes it interesting, and the icons and occassional shows of disdain and humor make it fun. Agreeable disagreement, if you will. No harm done. Relax, enjoy it for what it is, OC..
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Guy's thank's for all the great responses I see most of you are concerned about consumption. Right now It's using a little, I had to add a quart a little over 2k into my OCI so that's not too bad I dont think. I will be expecting and ready for it to use more than normal.
That's about the only thing I expect to happen, I hope.
That's about the only thing I expect to happen, I hope.
I'd consider a HM 5w-20. If someone put a gun to my head and said 5w-20 or you die, GTX HM would be the one.
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That makes a lot of sense. VI will be reduced with oil use, so I'll start out with one that is lower on day one, so I won't be so dissapointed later!
You are right however about the SynPower. It seems to be the best of the synthetics. But the All Climate is pretty good as well and I would say about equivalent to the Havoline and Pennzoil synthetics.
Just compare it to the specs for Havoline and Pennzoil synthetics that I just posted.
You're conclusions are not sound if you're basing them solely on the published specs. You need to look at the countless UOAs of these oils that have been posted. Time and time again both Havoline and Pennzoil conventional oils have shown they are good for medium to long drain intervals. Valavoline All Climate has not.
I think you're missing the point. For example:
Oil A starts off with a VI of 150 and uses 8% VI improver.
Oil B starts off with a VI of 166 and uses 11% VI improver.
At the end of 5000 miles, Oil A has a VI of 144.
At the end of 5000 miles, Oil B has a VI of 152.
Which oil would you rather have in your engine based solely on VI loss?
I'd rather have Oil A.
Based on what? Please list the product data sheet spec's that form the premise for your position.
I really don't see how anyone could arrive at the conclusion that Valvoline All-Climate 5W-20 would generate better performance than Pennzoil Platinum 5W-20.
Not for me, as I would have changed a conventional oil at 3000 miles.
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