Mine isn’t the side moving goal posts. Funny.
ICE vehicles will be 75% of US car market in 2025
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Your the one asking "Model Y was the best selling in the world. Why stay confined to US based numbers?" Except this entire thread and the original article is about US numbers. Explain how that is not moving the goal posts?
You couldn't comment at all on my factual numbers data, simply changed topics?
I found this recent list interesting, it’s still shocks me what huge sellers pick up trucks are. I always thought of my wife and I are fairly well off (?) but I look at the price of some of these trucks and I think I’m living in a alternate universe.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g60385784/bestselling-cars-2024/
I do find it interesting that Tesla does not release how many cars they sell in the United States.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g60385784/bestselling-cars-2024/
I do find it interesting that Tesla does not release how many cars they sell in the United States.
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2020 was the first year I did not own an LT. But right off the bat - I gave away my old utility trailer and got one of the expanded metal units light enough to bring to the hitch and go. Between that, roof racks, and huge WT cargo mats - we do just fine. And it Texas - it's great to have the groceries/items in a secure section that still has AC vents blowing away ...I found this recent list interesting, it’s still shocks me what huge sellers pick up trucks are. I always thought of my wife and I are fairly well off (?) but I look at the price of some of these trucks and I think I’m living in the alternate universe.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g60385784/bestselling-cars-2024/
I do find it interesting that Tesla does not release how many cars they sell in the United States.
Yeah, and I always wonder how many use them as trucks?I found this recent list interesting, it’s still shocks me what huge sellers pick up trucks are. I always thought of my wife and I are fairly well off (?) but I look at the price of some of these trucks and I think I’m living in a alternate universe.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g60385784/bestselling-cars-2024/
I do find it interesting that Tesla does not release how many cars they sell in the United States.
I love my old Tundra. It would be hard for me to spend that kinda coin on a vehicle that I use as a truck. But that's just me; each to his/her own.
I had an Uber ride recently in the Tesla with the gull wing doors in back. Nice car. Guy said he road tripped to Disney from NJ over Christmas break. I think the Tesla charger network gives a market advantage.
I have no issues with electric cars or people who buy them, in fact I think a lot of the Teslas look cool and I like the Lightning too. But I don’t like $7500 tax credits for any type of vehicle and I don’t want the government telling me what to buy.
The Tesla in Your photo looks like a nice shade of red / burgundy - sharp. Use it in good health.
If you don't want to disclose the region that you live in then you shouldn't be posting about 'your' area.
The subsidy for $7500 seems to be for US made EV and batteries. So the idea is take away US jobs, I have a feeling it won’t be 0 instead a reduction if anything.
They can start importing the batteries from factories where labor or vehicles is dirt cheap like Mexico or China and impact US jobs.
They can start importing the batteries from factories where labor or vehicles is dirt cheap like Mexico or China and impact US jobs.
I would be fine with my Lightning going 0-60 in 9 seconds, but the fact that it does it in half that definitely doesn't suck. The Kia EV9 Light long range does in fact go 0-60 in about 9 seconds as it's a 6K+ lb vehicle with 214 HP, and if I could have gotten the same lease deal, I would have gone that direction as it's a 3 row.
Point being I took the best lease deal on a larger-ish EV I could find for my state. At $299 a month, the Lightning is a great family vehicle. Drove it around a bunch yesterday with the wife and kids on-board. The fact that it's fast, doesn't make it a circular argument for EVs. That was not the main point of it's purchase.
The funny part is that part of the country has more EVs than many others including my area, they just aren’t seeing them or wouldn’t know if they saw them.
Universal modular batteries are the only solution to widespread EV adoption. The day you can pull your F150 into a service station and have all four battery packs replaced, the service station can charge up those same four battery packs and a few hours later give two of each to two different small SUV's, then the whole charging and range debate becomes moot.
Until then, plug-in hybrid is the only solution to range anxiety.
Until then, plug-in hybrid is the only solution to range anxiety.
I have no quarrel with what anyone buys of their own free will - and preferably - there own money. My comment was that I did the math for my wife's car - she could easily suffice with a EV - and the math doesn't work for her. Then I got the "well compare to 500HP". The thread was about broad market adoption - and as you pointed out, that isn't really a need its a luxury for most.
If your EV works for you, then that is great. The free market should decide.
You are aware that the only people with range anxiety just don't drive EVs, right? I just drove 265 miles to stay in a hotel for training in 10 degree weather in a snowstorm and it took a 10 minute charging stop to make up for the cold weather with my rated 279 mile range.
That said I love the modular battery idea until I get a junk pack with a swap. I'd rather have the battery I know how it has been treated. I still do see the benefit in that. If it takes 30 minutes to swap the batteries though, then I'd rather just charge. If we had modular packs a lot of vehicles are going to be even heavier. It's why the Lightning is so heavy. It's still a body on frame truck. You'd have to go either body on frame for other vehicles or redesign the unibody so the battery isn't a structural component.
He has "KY" in his username, and he mentioned Bucee's-I would guess somewhere in the Richmond, KY area, south central KY (Eastern KY University) area. Not super urban, but not the eastern hill country either. Growing numbers of Teslas here in Cincy, they're turning up all over the place, and a fair amount of Rivians too.
The Tesla Supercharger network is open to Ford and GM, among others. With the exception of V1 Superchargers, those are not compatible for whatever reason.
Point being, Tesla doesn't have the same charging advantage they did just a short couple of years ago.
Let me guess; you don't own a Tesla?
Gut Reaction:
- As vehicle prices have gotten insane since the RONA, higher interest rates and overall inflation: when possible, a significant # of people are postponing buying...
-- Those that can afford to buy new are higher side of average income, and more likely to buy Hybrid, EV and such
-- Those on the lower side of average income are certainly more likely to buy traditional ICE that are almost always lower cost
- Does this forecast include used vehicles?
- Similar to the first point; certainly more people are considering used than pre RONA... There are more ICE vs other in the used market... Again, used vehicle purchasers are looking at lower cost and will be inclined to buy ICE
- As vehicle prices have gotten insane since the RONA, higher interest rates and overall inflation: when possible, a significant # of people are postponing buying...
-- Those that can afford to buy new are higher side of average income, and more likely to buy Hybrid, EV and such
-- Those on the lower side of average income are certainly more likely to buy traditional ICE that are almost always lower cost
- Does this forecast include used vehicles?
- Similar to the first point; certainly more people are considering used than pre RONA... There are more ICE vs other in the used market... Again, used vehicle purchasers are looking at lower cost and will be inclined to buy ICE
That is good to know. My wife has made positive comments about the F150 “frunk” so you never know!
We have never used the frunk in the Mach-E, but we used the frunk in the Lightning within a couple of hours after it was delievered. It was used to deliver the Christmas gifts to the in-laws on Christmas Eve. Since then I have used it multiple other times, to put suitcases in for airport trips and groceries.
Total US new car sales in 2024 were just under 16M units - which is at or above average in the period from 2006 I would guess by the graph below. This is at a time when interest rates are higher than any time since 2006 and vehicle prices are clearly at all time high's.
So as much as I would like to say your correct, it appears from the numbers are not.
Also, from the same math, they sold approximately 100,000 more EV's than last year, and 268,000 more ICE vehicles than the prior year.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TOTALSA
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