No kidding. I don't see these either. I see the occasional new Jetta which is under $30k, but that seems like a lot of money for a small regular car. I'm not seeing much else. To replace my last GTI at a similar option level would have been almost $40k.
ICE vehicles will be 75% of US car market in 2025
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Hey chief I posted an article that's all. I don't need you to answer anything for me.
BMW is a great corporate citizen of our state, but the only reason they built any plant to begin with was to get around the chicken tax, and the only reason they are building a battery plant is to get around those tariffs / penalties.
There really is nothing organic about it - other than South Carolina being the best state out of 50 so they located here.
USA purchased 16M passenger vehicle units last year. Roughly 2.2M of hose were full sized pickup trucks, so about 14%.
So you made stuff up to advocate your point of view without using actual data. Most people buy Rav4, CRV, Rogue, Civic, Corolla, Tucson, Trax, Crosstrek, Forester or similar.
I will help you with a link so you can view for yourself. https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2024-u-s-auto-sales-figures-by-model-all-vehicle-ranked/
If I am reading this right. At first glance you seem negative on your state. I love SC and proud of their achievements.
Two uses of the words "only reason"
and "really nothing organic about it" is the reason I say this.
Organic? what huge company doesnt open up in the most business friendly state?
Your last comment is the only one I do agree with "South Carolina being the best state out of 50 so they located here"
Absolutely because of its business friendly climate is why these companies chose here. Business friendly means, low taxes, transportation infrastructure ex rail system, port of Charleston and interstate system, affordable housing and a vast network of people willing to work, plus an attractive state to bring in outsiders and technology ... and of course a "Right to Work" state.
I mean, this is not happening in many other states except the southern states, Texas leads the way but even some publications, however not all scientific say South Carolina dethroned Texas but even that would have been unheard of just a decade ago to readd something like that. One of the 50, tiny little once looked down on South Carolina is kicking a__
BMW, Boeing, Volvo, Michelin are the names we know but they arent even at the top of the list. Simple searches show this to be true, including all the supporting outsourcing industries.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/americans-flocked-settle-scenic-southern-state-u-haul-see-list
Auto sales do not give the percentage of vehicles on the road.
Registrations do, for example Tesla is down just a few from the top on your list, however the amount of Tesla's on the road is like a needle in a haystack compared to the 300 MILLION vehicles on our roadways.
Depending where the OP lives (which I dont know why some people do not show) it can seem like you are constantly surrounded by pick-ups The top 20 states can be from a low of 20% pick-ups which is huge in itself to a whopping almost 40% pickups. This doesn't include large SUVs either, just pick ups.
https://www.iseecars.com/which-states-drive-the-most-pickup-trucks-study
AS far as new vehicle registrations some states still have a huge number. (also check out their income levels, will into the 6 figures)
https://www.experian.com/blogs/insights/king-road-breaking-popularity-pickup-trucks/
You're right, it was over the top, but I can't go back and change it now. I was just fuming over an actual work purchasing issue at the time. I'll request deletion.
EV Sales are in the toilet in the USA, EU and Canada.
Numbers reported by Yahoo confirm it. (I have no position on EVs) I myself am surprised. EVs dont even make up 1% of the cars on US roads, but more shocking to me is the EU. Here in the USA we are led to believe they are so popular at least that is what I thought.
As another noted in this forum and I see it too. All of a sudden Hybrids are being adding into the EV numbers? Of course much of the public doesnt know that as they avoid (in some articles) using the word Hybrid. and Use PHEV, to common people that means electric vehicle but its gasoline and has always been around. Anyway, I am trying to figure out is HyBrids are in that number as the reference to it regarding China but maybe not. One has to remember, you can buy an EV in China for $10,000 just like a moped is called a motorcycle in much the world compared to an Indian or Harley.
Anyway, I expected growth to be much greater than this, it only made sense, yet I have no trouble finding EVs on the car lots anymore. The recent VW fiasco with its massive supply of unsold EVs is proof with super discount lease prices on 2024 models.
Even some of the REALLY NICE Equinox EVs maybe selling but you dont have to knock down the doors to get one.
Anyway, just an observation. I find this "news" article slanted when you closely examine it. Of course on a global scale you can say the combined sales of EVs and Hybrids are up double digits, how many are EVs then ask in a world with no EV to start this growth is sad.
Remember. Tesla sales were down oil the affluent USA for 2024 considering the CEO promoted growth for a while at the 50% range.
Anyway, interesting read, not so sure why they thing this is good.
Reporters well... enough of that *LOL*
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/glob...671.html?ncid=facebook_yfsocialfa_wje3x23a50w
Numbers reported by Yahoo confirm it. (I have no position on EVs) I myself am surprised. EVs dont even make up 1% of the cars on US roads, but more shocking to me is the EU. Here in the USA we are led to believe they are so popular at least that is what I thought.
As another noted in this forum and I see it too. All of a sudden Hybrids are being adding into the EV numbers? Of course much of the public doesnt know that as they avoid (in some articles) using the word Hybrid. and Use PHEV, to common people that means electric vehicle but its gasoline and has always been around. Anyway, I am trying to figure out is HyBrids are in that number as the reference to it regarding China but maybe not. One has to remember, you can buy an EV in China for $10,000 just like a moped is called a motorcycle in much the world compared to an Indian or Harley.
Anyway, I expected growth to be much greater than this, it only made sense, yet I have no trouble finding EVs on the car lots anymore. The recent VW fiasco with its massive supply of unsold EVs is proof with super discount lease prices on 2024 models.
Even some of the REALLY NICE Equinox EVs maybe selling but you dont have to knock down the doors to get one.
Anyway, just an observation. I find this "news" article slanted when you closely examine it. Of course on a global scale you can say the combined sales of EVs and Hybrids are up double digits, how many are EVs then ask in a world with no EV to start this growth is sad.
Remember. Tesla sales were down oil the affluent USA for 2024 considering the CEO promoted growth for a while at the 50% range.
Anyway, interesting read, not so sure why they thing this is good.
Reporters well... enough of that *LOL*
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/glob...671.html?ncid=facebook_yfsocialfa_wje3x23a50w
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I'm not surprised, and if true people in those areas don't want them, or sales wouldn't be in the toilet. Common sense. In a few hours when the $7,500 tax credit goes away I'd imagine sales in the US will slow a bit more, and competition will heat up for Tesla.
Ummm I disagree. I dont think sales will slow up a "bit more" I think EV sales will crash further as I already see the market crashing with the credit. How can the USA have zero growth when taxpayers pay a $7,500 down payment for them to buy an EV?
(just having fun here)
I was being kind, and tried to pick my words carefully.
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Tesla can at least avoid the issue that others face - dealerships that are not wanting to stock or service them - like where I live …
We are going find out in the next day or two what’s going to happen with those $7500 rebates.
Im not so sure of that. We will see, I have my strong doubts the $7,500 taxpayer funded gift will be eliminated.
When you are a manufacturer you have to fill the factory. You have no choice. Its that or go under. Trust me on this.
So manufacturers will absorb the $7500. Most of it will be margin compression. They will possibly try to pass some of it on. Or come out with new models where there is no established market price.
There was a time where there were no (or few) rebates. I think they only got reinstated during all the pandemic spending. It was originally only 200,000 rebates per OEM - to incentivize them to get started. When it was extended it was pure corporate welfare.
Agree. They will have to absorb it, if the $7,500 is gone forever they will slash production and plans, as GM has as far as two years ago they have cut back significantly as all other manufacturers have too. What I can then see is Americans being offered more affordable stripped down models. Nothing wrong with that, it's stupid the amount of electronics in cars now and it is distracting!
EVs have their place for sure but they are not (in their present form) going to replace ICE. It's just not feasible. Our standard of living, Americans are not going to go backwards to small 4 door sedans. Of those cars, sure, EV is a good replacement but they need well priced big interstate cruising SUVs too. Someday I might have a smallish EVSUV. like an equinox if I one day get rid of the boat.
But the 2025 gas version we just bought will be the one that goes on road trips.
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ELECTRIC VEHICLE MANDATE IS REPEALED which required vehicle emissions to be cut by 50% ...
If you read the whole story, it mentions hybrid and electric vehicle sales, as if it was being combined together. Well a hybrid is an ice vehicle not an electric vehicle.
Furthermore, the largest name in electric vehicles in the United States Tesla sales were down one percent for 2024
In the EU, the chart shows sales of electric vehicle or electric and hybrids down 3%
For a new technology to the market, it certainly isn’t knocking the doors down, especially in the United States, where companies like Volkswagen are just about giving them away at this point and there is no shortage from the legacy makers lots either.
Edit - I was wrong to use the word Toilet. I guess seeing the EU numbers impacted me enough to use the word and the decline in Tesla sales. Let's call it less than robust USA sales up 7.3% for 2024, Tesla was down ... well here is the whole chart. I had trouble figuring out exactly what Yahoo was reporting AND A LOT OF them are doing it now. Lumping in Hybrid sales with EV sales.
I think this chart is just EVs no mention of hybrids which is fossil fuel.
Source - https://www.coxautoinc.com/market-insights/q4-2024-ev-sales/
Here is the rub, the media is reporting almost like smoke and mirrors combining hybrids with EVs (same with that yahoo "story)
Let's not forget, Canada just stopped giving away free money to buy them, The USA just trashed the EPA emission requirements as of today forcing car makers to cut emissions by 50%.
I have no skin in this game but just give me accurate numbers and this stuff isnt exactly going down as forecast 2 years ago or even a year ago. I wonder if the USA will stop giving away money. Im not so sure they will stop.
Maybe I can ask a question of you, why does the media lump in fossil fuel sales (hybrid) with EV sales? I suspect to make EV sales sound bigger than they are? I dont know.
https://www.carscoops.com/2025/01/e...obally-in-2024-but-the-partys-over-in-europe/
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Thanks I’m watching for what I call the rollbacks coming out. Did the EPA gas mileage requirements get rolled back yet? No politics please, just actual signed documents.
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