ICE vehicles will be 75% of US car market in 2025

[Rmay635703]

At least in terms of TMI, it's still under NRC regulation, no matter who owns it, so the same safety standards apply. Would be nice to see the other unit resurrected actually, as maybe an AP1000 or something.

Right now unit 2 has been 99% defueled and decommissioned. It’s likely going to be a storage area for unit 1 but if demand is there and they rebuild, it probably will only provide for the nearby datacenter and won’t be used for local needs.

My hope is that nuclear plants get built understanding we are entering an extremely long dry period, for 5% more cost nuclear can be used to desalinate.

Distilled water can be a nearly free byproduct of wasting all this energy, it can be bottled and sold or supliment municipal water sources.

Similar to Europe, Add to this again at a low cost, 3 mile is close enough to housing that hot water could be provided locally reducing the cost to heat water. (My water is 42f most of the winter, sometimes much colder to the point we have requirements to have every faucet drip), processed water is much warmer 20F + more depending on how it’s setup)

It’s worth noting that the states that have private off grid generators loose an immense amount of taxes on said power.

Half my electric bill is taxes in part due to municipal substation taxes paid by the utility , those taxes are lost on private power likely concentrating more taxes to the consumer.

 

[Trav]

AG, you are arguing with yourself.

By the way, I am referring to a Federal mandate; there have been state mandates. Not sure what you are referring to and don't wanna put words in your mouth.

Critical thinking refers to making a judgement based on analyzing, evaluating, and interpreting information. That judgement is not necessarily correct. There is no federal EV mandate.

By any other name this is a federal mandate. Word play is not making it JK.

https://www.nada.org/legislative/epas-de-facto-electric-vehicle-mandate-too-far-too-fast

 

[Torrid]

CA had a mandate and 17 other states follower suit with this lunacy. Ever increasing unobtainable EPA MPG numbers are nothing more than a de facto mandate. Please stop telling that fake story.

https://calmatters.org/environment/2024/12/california-electric-car-mandate-epa-waiver/

There was no Federal EV mandate. Key word, Federal.

Please stop misconstruing the emissions nonsense with an EV mandate. It's false equivalence. My state did not have one and I can't get mad at the Federal government over a "mandate" that doesn't exist at the Federal level.

Don't get me wrong the emissions standards are a bit nuts, but nothing directly mandates making EVs. It was an option to boost numbers.

 

[Torrid]

The EV mandates weren't automotive?

There weren't EV mandates at the Federal level and you're over here talking about appliances.

 

[demarpaint]

@JeffKeryk @Torrid (in the interest of accuracy)

The most disappointing thing part of this thread is critical thinking. There has never been an EV mandate however, it was estimated by the EPA that it would force legacy makers to build significantly more EVs in order to meet emission requirements. You can call it what you want but that is a mandate and the EPA acknowledges its effect.

This is EASY to find on the internet, an executive order was issued to stop this insanity below. Im not providing a link easy to find and no politics in here.

"The orders include eliminating the so-called "electric vehicle mandate," (deleted the name) phrase for a Environmental Protection Agency rule that required auto manufacturers to cut greenhouse gas emissions by half in new light- and medium-duty vehicles beginning in 2027.
The EPA has estimated the rule would force auto manufacturers to build electric vehicles for about 30% to 56% of their new light-duty vehicles by 2032 and 20% to 32% of new medium duty vehicles."

If someone doesn't see this as a mandate, well .... does someone have another meaning for the word "FORCE" ??????

I mean come on now, my only interest is accuracy and some of your comments are completely incorrect.

Thank you, if it quacks like a mandate it's a mandate, and executive orders were quickly implemented to stop the nonsense.

 

[demarpaint]

There weren't EV mandates at the Federal level and you're over here talking about appliances.

And EVs.

 

[Torrid]

Thank you, if it quacks like a mandate it's a mandate, and executive orders were quickly implemented to stop the nonsense.

Those boots must be shiny and polished by now.

 

[demarpaint]

Those boots must be shiny and polished by now.

Your boots?

 

[Torrid]

Your boots?

If we're referring to the laws at the Federal level being EV mandates than the EO's are dictator decrees.

I can wipe my hind end with the English language too. Words do have meaning. Leave feelings out of it.

 

[demarpaint]

If we're referring to the laws at the Federal level being EV mandates than the EO's are dictator decrees.

I can wipe my hind end with the English language too. Words do have meaning. Leave feelings out of it.

You're dragging it in the mud with your sarcasm, I'm replying in kind. Maybe we should take a break.

 

[Torrid]

You're dragging it in the mud with your sarcasm, I'm replying in kind. Maybe we should take a break.

All I know is sarcasm when the truth is stretched. You have a point. All the best.

 

[JeffKeryk]

There was no federal EV mandate. Only talking points which were fabrications. No one has cited evidence of a Federal EV mandate; that's because there is none.

According to the Unfunded Mandates Reform Act of 1995, federal mandates include requirements imposed on state, local, or tribal governments or on entities in the private sector that are not conditions of aid or tied to participation in voluntary federal programs. CBO identifies such mandates in bills that are approved by authorizing committees (and, when requested, for other legislation) and provides an estimate of the costs associated with the mandates.

 

[edyvw]

What’s amusing is people are overly concerned about EV energy use and pollution but Crypto uses 25x more power than all the EVs combined and AI is slated to be 100x and literally nobody cares



The entire power generation of 3 mile island is going private off grid to power 1 companies datacenter.

There has been talk of rebuilding the melted unit 2 into a different type of reactor once unit 1 is “payed off” so to say.

All over the continent derelict power plants are being shunted into crypto or ai power sources. Because these are usually not supplying the grid and ma jobs their pollution is usually not as closely monitored or regulated.

My opinion is that we are dazzled with bs and worrying about the things that don’t actually matter while our future is pulled out from under us as our public infrastructure is privatized or bought out by foreign buyers. Currently Saudis under a deal (under a week old) are going to get some level of ownership of massive amounts of land, farms, water, mines and other industrial resources .

Not sure anyone here wanted to be signed up for that, see if it goes all the way to fruition.

People have a hard time understanding crypto, so they don't bother with that. People like short titles and want to "learn" from something that has less than 10 words. Anything more complex, they skip.
Some people are seriously hooked on crypto. Mostly, people who consider themselves environmentally friendly. Any conversation about this energy subject goes nowhere. They just like to think they are living a responsible life by, idk, driving an EV or having batteries at home.

 

[edyvw]

You guys are arguing about semantics. Is it mandate or not? The question is, what is the ultimate goal?
Remember, Al Capone was not convicted of murders etc. but tax evasion.

 

[edyvw]

There was no Federal EV mandate. Key word, Federal.

Please stop misconstruing the emissions nonsense with an EV mandate. It's false equivalence. My state did not have one and I can't get mad at the Federal government over a "mandate" that doesn't exist at the Federal level.

Don't get me wrong the emissions standards are a bit nuts, but nothing directly mandates making EVs. It was an option to boost numbers.

But what is the ultimate goal? What happens in CA matters A LOT! Car manufacturers won't make changes to the Louisiana state mandate. But for CA? They will. Don't forget CARB consists of 17 states plus DC. CO already pulled out of this, but the question is how will manufacturers adjust what they offer, following mandates from the largest state and largest economy in the US + 15 other states and DC? But let's say other states pull out, and CA is the only one, it will impact market drastically. I am not sure CA will implement this, considering where politics is moving, who knows? But, the issue is not mandate, but how you get what you want. And yes, this is basically getting your way through back door. They want to force manufacturers to drop ICE using a mandate from CA.
I mean, we have to allow Asian countries to burn coal as much as possible.

 

[Torrid]

You guys are arguing about semantics. Is it mandate or not? The question is, what is the ultimate goal?
Remember, Al Capone was not convicted of murders etc. but tax evasion.

It's not semantics if you're not twisting what mandate means.

 

[Torrid]

But what is the ultimate goal? What happens in CA matters A LOT! Car manufacturers won't make changes to the Louisiana state mandate. But for CA? They will. Don't forget CARB consists of 17 states plus DC. CO already pulled out of this, but the question is how will manufacturers adjust what they offer, following mandates from the largest state and largest economy in the US + 15 other states and DC? But let's say other states pull out, and CA is the only one, it will impact market drastically. I am not sure CA will implement this, considering where politics is moving, who knows? But, the issue is not mandate, but how you get what you want. And yes, this is basically getting your way through back door. They want to force manufacturers to drop ICE using a mandate from CA.
I mean, we have to allow Asian countries to burn coal as much as possible.

They walked back the mandate in California as I have said multiple times would happen because there's no practical way for it work. I'm far from an ICE hater. I'm a realist. It wasn't going to work. We all knew this.

FOR THE LAST TIME THERE WAS NO FEDERAL MANDATE!

I don't have a problem with genuine conversation over issues, but I refuse to deal with flat out lies. It's a waste of everyone's time.

 

[edyvw]

It's not semantics if you're not twisting what mandate means.

Remember, we also have not fought any wars since the last time we declared war, which was on June 5th 1942.

 

[edyvw]

They walked back the mandate in California as I have said multiple times would happen because there's no practical way for it work. I'm far from an ICE hater. I'm a realist. It wasn't going to work. We all knew this.

FOR THE LAST TIME THERE WAS NO FEDERAL MANDATE!

I don't have a problem with genuine conversation over issues, but I refuse to deal with flat out lies. It's a waste of everyone's time.

You really don't understand politics.

 

[Torrid]

Remember, we also have not fought any wars since the last time we declared war, which was on June 5th 1942.

You really don't understand politics.

I can't comment on any of this because it's going to end poorly. If that's the date you want to wear as a badge then you know what my next comment is. I'm done.