I helped my daughter with a bad vehicle situation

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And I don't care what you, or others think...I expect to get raked over the coals whenever I post something like this in here because a lot of people in this forum think they're experts on the these types of subjects...
Well they don't call them internet keyboard warriors for nothing!
Then why are you here?
Well obviously so he can get raked over the coals.
Yep you're all a bunch of Dave Ramseys...
No better! Not all of his advice is good.

Basically they failed to budget for needed and upcoming repairs and dug themselves a bigger hole. The way would have been to get those items fixed. Maybe they could have risked the timing belt a few more months until they had the money or they could have borrowed the money to do the repairs. Doing repairs is typically cheaper than another car. The question now is how much are they budgeting for the repairs to the new car? They didn't realistically think they could drive a car for 130k without having some types of repairs along the way did they? Brakes usually aren't that expensive anyway, how much would have set of pads and rotors cost on Rockauto? I used to find mechanics on craigslists that would throw in brakes for $50-$100.
 
The power door motors going out had nothing to do with owner neglect. The TSB required had nothing to do with owner neglect. The brakes being bad had nothing to do with owner neglect (normal wear and tear item). Honda's stupid design of using a timing belt instead of a chain had nothing to do with owner neglect, however, not having it changed did...so most of the problems with this van were not owner neglect...

Two time Odyssey owner here.
Power Door Motors: Possibility of neglect. Were kids abusing them? Hanging on them? Playing with them. I will agree that they are problematic. I had a problem with one once, as the result of an accident. Ended up trading it off after some mailcarrier went postal on the side of it after she decided that the concept of driving responsibly was a mere suggestion.
TSB: All on Honda.
Brakes: These vehicles are heavy and are brake and tire hogs. That can be mitigated somewhat through modifying driving style. However still a wear and tear item that one should budget for if they strive to drive that type of vehicle.
Timing Belt: That's the way they build them. I have owned two Odysseys, and now a Pilot. I wanted a chain and was set to buy a new Highlander. When I found out that I could save 5K and have AWD or buy a FWD Highlander, I decided to go Pilot. However, I know that if I have it long enough, I'll be dropping about a grand for a belt. That's okay, I'll still be 4K ahead.
 
And for the last time now, they didn't have the money to make the repairs needed on the van. I don't know where you people think they were going to come up with the money for these repairs. If they don't have the money, they don't have the money...

Where is the money coming from for the note they are toteing?
Anyone that doesn't think a six year old Pilot with over 70K on it isn't going to need repairs/maintenance is huffing some major league hopium.
This is going to become a major rinse/repeat cycle. They will be in the same boat again in less than 7 years.
Sincerely, I wish them the best and hope that they sit down and find a way to more tightly budget some funds for a contingency Kitty.
If not just for cars, but for other family emergencies as well.
 
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Entertainment value of this thread is priceless!
Yeah, maybe someone will actually be helpful.

I'm wondering what those repairs would have really cost if you ended up shopping around.

There's openbay.com, yourmechanic.com, repairpal.com, etc. Lets you shop around a job to different places.
 
Sounds like she is buying vehicles she can't afford to procure, let alone keep and operate.

You didnt state in OP what the cause of the CEL was. Doesnt seem that it was the timing belt. Also didnt mention the history of the brakes. I dont think either of these things happening at 129k is out of the ordinary.

Common knowledge, at least for the casual reader on BITOG, that these engines have timing belts. Nothing new or surprising there, lots of vehicles do. Chains require maintenance to be properly kept too. Wear needs to be assessed, woodruff keys used to get timing back, and they too break. Tensioners go bad, other stuff needs to be done.

Our 2014 odyssey has 70k (original brakes despite substantial in-town use). If hers has 129k, it must get a lot of highway use. Ours has daily use including both electronic sliding doors (a feature I didnt really want), and theyre both working fine. They can be overridden and operated manually too... Im concerned about the possibility of sludge in ours (I have a thread on that), but its use profile, not vehicle quality. Our friend's sienna that was bought at the same time as our odyssey has been to the dealer more times for issues including doors, water leaks, and other matters. Use takes its toll on stuff, especially if people arent careful.

A 7 year loan on a 6-7 year old vehicle that is closing in fast on its own need for a timing belt replacement is a fool's errand. Best to get rid of vanity, smart phones, and whatever else is causing fiscal problems, and drive something that is much more economical to operate and own.
Thanks Dave...
 
And I don't care what you, or others think...I expect to get raked over the coals whenever I post something like this in here because a lot of people in this forum think they're experts on the these types of subjects...
Have you ever considered starting a blog ? You can post to your heart's content but have any commenting options disabled. I think it would suit you very well ! This is a "discussion" forum after all.
 
It has the same engine as the Odyssey and hence, the horrible timing belt design. Good chance the same TSB affects the Pilot as the Odyssey. The fuel economy in the Pilot will be worse.

I get that you're going to defend your daughter but on the other hand, it seems like you think everyone will fall in line behind you, cheering you on and supporting the criticisms you make (on every topic). That's not how internet forums work though ! 😂
I believe I already stated I knew I would get raked over the coals, but thanks for the repeated input...
 
I'm wondering what those repairs would have really cost if you ended up shopping around.

I had brakes (all 4 wheels) put on the last one that I had with rotors for < $500.
Timing belt service at the independent Honda specialist I sometimes use was about $1100. This included plugs, wires, and a water pump. Generally it is recommended to do these at the same time because of the amount of labor required to tear down for the TB. However, this could be pared back.
The door parts are expensive. The motor (actual cost) was $560.00 each (this was back in 2006, and this was actual cost. My FIL runs his own autobody business.) Since our van was never 100% due to the severity of the accident, I went ahead and traded it early. Still, one can bypass the motors, and use the doors manually.
 
I had brakes (all 4 wheels) put on the last one that I had with rotors for < $500.
Timing belt service at the independent Honda specialist I sometimes use was about $1100. This included plugs, wires, and a water pump. Generally it is recommended to do these at the same time because of the amount of labor required to tear down for the TB. However, this could be pared back.
The door parts are expensive. The motor (actual cost) was $560.00 each (this was back in 2006, and this was actual cost. My FIL runs his own autobody business.) Since our van was never 100% due to the severity of the accident, I went ahead and traded it early. Still, one can bypass the motors, and use the doors manually.
My daughter was using the doors manually, but the problem the non-working door motors caused was with the trade-in value. They knocked about $2800 off the value just because of the door motors. I thought that was a bit ridiculous...
 
They bought a 6 year old SUV on a 7 year loan, rolled $5k in negative equity in and they have a known $1k repair coming up in 25k miles. This was not a wise decision.

They should have prioritized repairs on the Odyssey and kept it. They could live with the broken doors and pulsating brakes for a while.
 
My daughter was using the doors manually, but the problem the non-working door motors caused was with the trade-in value. They knocked about $2800 off the value just because of the door motors. I thought that was a bit ridiculous...

With all due respect, given the price of the parts, I can't say that I blame them.
Our first one was an EX (the one that was wrecked.) We didn't have any choice at the time because we were down a vehicle, and this was all that we could get our hands on.
The second one was an EX-L. (Mrs Tdbo insisted.) we had no issues with that one.
However, with kids and the use those doors would see, the LX is the ticket.
 
With all due respect, given the price of the parts, I can't say that I blame them.
Our first one was an EX (the one that was wrecked.) We didn't have any choice at the time because we were down a vehicle, and this was all that we could get our hands on.
The second one was an EX-L. (Mrs Tdbo insisted.) we had no issues with that one.
However, with kids and the use those doors would see, the LX is the ticket.
These are a few of the things I like more about the Pilot she bought. It has no power seats or power doors. Less things to go wrong...
 
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