All the cars I've had were well made, and M1 never made any noise and actually was more quiet IMO. M1 will probably always be the #1 oil based XOM's R&D expenditures and the fact that they push that as their #1 product. It's not the best, but it's among the top 3 IMO. Plus, you can get it at many retail stores. I've seen ZERO indication that noise = wear so it's really not an issue. Just more of an annoyance.
I have a prediction about future Mobil1 formulations
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What is "the best oil out there"?
I have been trying to kill M1 for years now. It just won't die.
I have no doubt that some of the loyalty among the average drivers is due to their advertising, reputation, and time in the market. I work in parts at a Chevy-Buick dealer and am continually amazed at the number of people who pay our ridiculous price for M1. We use Mobil 10W30 dino in our bulk pumps and they are happy to deliver boxed goods to us when they come to fill the tanks. Our cost on both Delvac (GM's preferred oil for Duramax) and M1 is higher than we could get from Wal*mart,
I'll continue to run it in my wife's '01 Monte Carlo 3.4 because I let the oil change monitor do it's thing and like the extra protection. It almost always goes 7500 miles (the max on this car) before turning on. I stopped using it in my Hyundai Accent 1.5 because in cold weather on startup I almost always had 2-3 valve adjusters that bled down overnight. I'm now using the Trop-Arctic 10W30 since I never could bring myself to go over 5K on that car.
Incidently, the 3.1/3.4 noise debate is way overblown, we don't even stock the special 3.1 pistons anymore and only installed a couple sets when they first became available. I know at least one set ('01 Buick Century) was installed not for piston slap but because the owner found the TSB online and demanded that GM replace his pistons. I think the noisey ones were all built before that, and if you have one it's probably a bigger deal, but we don't see it that much. My wife's 3.4 has more belt and injector noise than anything. I think engines in general are noisier now due to all the friction reduction measures being incorporated and I'm not convinced M1 has any effect on that aspect.
BTW, when I worked here in the '80s all we ever put it any car anytime of year was 20W20. I was aghast when I found this out, but we had lots of folks that put well over 100K on Chevettes, etc. commuting to jobs in St. Louis and no complaints that could be blamed on oil. Kinda makes you wonder why we all need to obsess about oil, not that I'm going to stop.
I'll continue to run it in my wife's '01 Monte Carlo 3.4 because I let the oil change monitor do it's thing and like the extra protection. It almost always goes 7500 miles (the max on this car) before turning on. I stopped using it in my Hyundai Accent 1.5 because in cold weather on startup I almost always had 2-3 valve adjusters that bled down overnight. I'm now using the Trop-Arctic 10W30 since I never could bring myself to go over 5K on that car.
Incidently, the 3.1/3.4 noise debate is way overblown, we don't even stock the special 3.1 pistons anymore and only installed a couple sets when they first became available. I know at least one set ('01 Buick Century) was installed not for piston slap but because the owner found the TSB online and demanded that GM replace his pistons. I think the noisey ones were all built before that, and if you have one it's probably a bigger deal, but we don't see it that much. My wife's 3.4 has more belt and injector noise than anything. I think engines in general are noisier now due to all the friction reduction measures being incorporated and I'm not convinced M1 has any effect on that aspect.
BTW, when I worked here in the '80s all we ever put it any car anytime of year was 20W20. I was aghast when I found this out, but we had lots of folks that put well over 100K on Chevettes, etc. commuting to jobs in St. Louis and no complaints that could be blamed on oil. Kinda makes you wonder why we all need to obsess about oil, not that I'm going to stop.
You're absolutely right. Engines done't die from wearing out from poor oil, they die from dirt and deposits.
Oil analysis doesn't show the whole picture either, and the fact that some people cry over 5-10ppm of a particular wear metal is really borderline OCD. Rather than have the oil checked, they should have their heads analyzed.
Wouldn't surprise me either if some of the people that post compliants about it are closet Amsoil dealers.
I don't doubt many of the noise compliants with M1, I've just never experienced it personally.
I have a prediction about Mobil 1, too. ExxonMobile will continue milking the cash cow with sub-specialty formulations to give BITOGers more grist to grind in their unlimited quest to satisfy their infinite angst over what oil to use in their ratted out twenty year-old Ford Crown Vics.
"Amsoil and Castrol all use Lubrizol as an additive supplier. That could be why we see different wear metal results."
Buster they do but they also by from the other guys too you can tell by the "chemistry" on VOA.
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Buster they do but they also by from the other guys too you can tell by the "chemistry" on VOA.
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i, for every one of your complaints about it, their are hundreds that have had success with it. Corvette owners never run into problems using M1 and I know several guys that run them hard. It could have been a defective engine or wrong viscosity choice. It could have also been the oil, but I personally havn't seen any oil really cause an engine failure since I've been on this site. All oils do a nice job as long as they meet the specs called for.
Not wrong viscosity choice. It could have been a defective engine, I agree. Other Saab motors had metalugical problems (with the heads), so they certainly weren't a perfect company. I am just an isolated data point. Nevertheless, there are other choices out there, and I choose them instead now.
Whoa - they're born form Jets! They should be awesome.
i member #5604 wrote:
"Do I KNOW that something is wrong with Mobil1? No, not for sure. But I'm putting the alert out there, so that folks who know better than me have a heads up and can keep an eye on what's going on. Maybe there is something wrong at Mobil corp, maybe there isn't."
There is nothing wrong with Mobil 1 and Fram makes a lovely filter.
"Do I KNOW that something is wrong with Mobil1? No, not for sure. But I'm putting the alert out there, so that folks who know better than me have a heads up and can keep an eye on what's going on. Maybe there is something wrong at Mobil corp, maybe there isn't."
There is nothing wrong with Mobil 1 and Fram makes a lovely filter.
yea, when wally world has mobil 1 stacked up next to the orange filters, you have to wonder....quote:
Originally posted by GoldenRod:
i member #5604 wrote:
"Do I KNOW that something is wrong with Mobil1? No, not for sure. But I'm putting the alert out there, so that folks who know better than me have a heads up and can keep an eye on what's going on. Maybe there is something wrong at Mobil corp, maybe there isn't."
There is nothing wrong with Mobil 1 and Fram makes a lovely filter.
Yeah, and when Castrol Syntec is stocked next to Pennzoil Platinum which is stocked next to Mobil 1 which is stocked next to Fram Filters...makes you wonder.
It's a conspiracy!
I guess the safest thing to do is go with the oil fartherest away from Mobil 1. That would be Wesson...
It's a conspiracy!
I guess the safest thing to do is go with the oil fartherest away from Mobil 1. That would be Wesson...
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