I dissected four (new) filters

[dogememe]

Had to try my new "Longacre" oil filter cutter... sure was interesting. Will post used Motorcraft FL820S and Royal Purple filter that actually came off my car, in the future.

Like we know, the O'Reilly MicroGard and Napa ProSelect are identical:

Less than 2/3 the pleats of other filters, flimsy cardboard end caps, total garbage, don't use Fram ExtraGuard:

Picked up a Pennzoil from the local quick-lube franchise. It's physically much smaller, which is weird, but it's actually decent inside.

 

[mazdamonky]

Another one of these Fram cardboard endcap rumors. This is not true. No matter how many times you read it or someone else tells you they are cardboard, please do not claim they are cardboard until you call Fram yourself to ask for technical information. The end caps are made of filtering material. I am unsure if it is the same material as the pleats. Also, the Fram uses a synthetic blend filtering material rather than a cellulose meaning it is able to hold the same amount of contaminants with less material since it is capable of at least partial depth filtering. It also is in theory capable of the same flow with less filtering material due to the synthetic blend filtering media. On top of this, it is also rated for a much higher filtration efficiency as compared to the Napa and Microgard. It is your choice to believe in "alternative facts." I do not LOVE Fram, but they have a hard to beat price point for what they are in some cases and they have some of the beest filtering efficiency of any filter, especially for the money you pay. If someone else wants to come and do the same thing for cheaper then I will buy their filters also.

 

[HerrStig]

Framboys don't call the cardboard in the OCOD cardboard. ROFL. The OCOD is what got the whole oil filter cutting business started, with a website called "Mini-Mopar oil filter study". Fram threatened the fellow who started the site with a lawsuit.

 

[badtlc]

the OCOD looks fine. Why the bashing of it?

 

[pbm]

I'd rather use an OCOD than a Tearolator...

 

[JeepWJ19]

This was overdue.

How long has this site gone without a slippery slope and baseless statement against Fram's endcaps?

The Fram TGs I cut open and many others that have been posted (Extra Guards and TGs) seem to contradict your viewpoints.

 

[tig1]

It's not cardboard end caps. The material is a fiber much stronger than cardboard. Probably the most used filter in the in the US, but I don't use them.

 

[Bud_One]

Originally Posted By: pbm
I'd rather use an OCOD than a Tearolator...


+1 - The Oil Can Of Delight is welcome in my book ...the Purolator/Clones , not so much.

Don't fear the Orange Can.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Honda and Subaru OEM service part is a Fram.

Honda specs garbage as we all know.

Waste of time and new filters.

Pseudo science and guess.

The filter paper is one of the most important parts of a filter. Where is your data on the media?

The filter media is a paper/glass/polymer mashup. The endcaps don't provide structure, the centertube does. Most all denso have NO ENDCAPS. Easier to glue "paper" to "paper" than paper to steel. The is also some" give' to prevent media tearing.

I am not a Framboy or Frampa, but the Toughguard worked where OEM Nissan doesn't.

I don't like to see the oxidation of the can or baseplate.

Old unit? New Fram stuff looks much improved.

Glad you had fun, in any event.

 

[Padawan]

Originally Posted By: JeepWJ19
The Fram TGs I cut open and many others that have been posted (Extra Guards and TGs) seem to contradict your viewpoints.


Indeed. Here's one of my Extra Guards that went over 9,000 miles during the winter and looks excellent: https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4038995/1

One from another member that was in service for almost 10,000 miles and looks just as good: https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4113417/1

The Extra Guards are 95% efficient, made in the USA, rated for 5,000 miles, and cost me less than $4 any day of the year without any special rebates or sales. Fram is also highly responsive to customer concerns and activity participates here on BITOG. I just can't see where all the Fram bashing still stems from.

 

[nthach]

I used to trash the OCOD, but if it's good enough for Honda and Subaru to use as a service filter, I'd certainly get one over a Purolator or Chinese filter(although I will admit, I have no issues against using Pentius filters).

There are cars that will tick if an non-OEM filter is installed. *cough*Hyundai*cough*

 

[Uregina09]

The OP definitely wasn't expecting the responses this thread has received.

 

[Pop_Rivit]

In typical fashion, a newcomer reads a few threads, buys a filter cutter, instantly becomes a resident expert on filter design, and begins dispensing recommendations like candies from a Pez. The nonsense about Fram filters being "total garbage" was dispelled years ago, and yet there are still threads like this that loudly proclaim that Fram is garbage. It certainly ratchets down the entire credibility of BITOG.

 

[Onug]

Cut off the filter on the Pennzoil and show those louvers.

 

[WobblyElvis]

Just to muddy the waters.

Fram extra guard filters are guaranteed for the change interval as specified in the owner's manual, just like all their other filters. People keep saying they are "rated" for 5,000 miles but the fram web site never says that exactly. If it were "rated for 5,000 miles" you would think they would have some test data that shows it is unlikely to survive for as long as an OEM filter. I doubt fram is going to admit they have this data.

Many owner's manuals specify a 15,000 mile FCI for the OEM filter.

Anyone want to try that with one of these filters?

 

[dwendt44]

Ferrari used the OCOD as factory fitment for many years as I recall.
Don't know if they still do though.

 

[chunt]

Originally Posted By: WobblyElvis
Just to muddy the waters.

Fram extra guard filters are guaranteed for the change interval as specified in the owner's manual, just like all their other filters. People keep saying they are "rated" for 5,000 miles but the fram web site never says that exactly. If it were "rated for 5,000 miles" you would think they would have some test data that shows it is unlikely to survive for as long as an OEM filter. I doubt fram is going to admit they have this data.

Many owner's manuals specify a 15,000 mile FCI for the OEM filter.

Anyone want to try that with one of these filters?

You do not have to go to the Fram's web site because right on the Fram Extra Guard filter box it states "PROVEN PROTECTION UP TO 5,000 MI / 8,000 KM". Fram has other filters for higher mileages. So if you are doing a 10.000 mi FCI then per Fram you would use a TG.

 

[WobblyElvis]

They use ambiguous language. They don't use the word "rated" because it would infer a test of some data suggest a 5,000 mile FCI and this would contradict their warranty.

Their warranty can be found here
http://www.fram.com/media/62425/2015_FramWarranty_EN.pdf

I should add that the owners manuals for several cars I've owned says to change the filter every second oil change.

 

[goodtimes]

Better money spent than going to get donuts. The Fram engineered fiber end caps could be a bypass filter. All they need to do is channel the end cap to the center tube and got a Microgreen.

I do not like the fiber end cap nubs as the sole centering method for the adbv. The adbv seal on the baseplate is a very narrow ring right next to the inlet holes. Any slip there and it's a leaky adbv. Which coincidentally there have been a number of reports on that very issue. Fram will say it is tested and they know it all, I don't care I still say it and it's easy to see. Yeah I did have my Wheaties this morning.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

I'm having ADBV MATERIAL issues - Turning to gum and staying open on my last NISSAN. I know, I know! Cut it open and show