Hyundai tops Honda: Most fuel efficient automaker

[Propflux01]

Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: Chuck1986
I'll take a Hyundai over any domestic manufacturer...they're right up there with the elite Japanese automakers that are light years ahead of the game.

at you...not with you.


You know GM and Ford did the same thing as your doing now when Toyota and Honda came ashore... Seems we never learn.

 

[wapacz]

Any one else hear that hyundia is some how getting atleast some parts for less than material costs.

 

[Nick R]

Originally Posted By: Tim H.
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: Chuck1986
I'll take a Hyundai over any domestic manufacturer...they're right up there with the elite Japanese automakers that are light years ahead of the game.

at you...not with you.


You know GM and Ford did the same thing as your doing now when Toyota and Honda came ashore... Seems we never learn.


But today Ford and GM products are every bit equal to their equivalent Honda, Toyota, Hyundai products.

 

[Propflux01]

Originally Posted By: rudolphna

But today Ford and GM products are every bit equal to their equivalent Honda, Toyota, Hyundai products.

Perhaps, But look at what happened in order for them to bring that par up...

 

[ls1mike]

Originally Posted By: Tim H.
Originally Posted By: rudolphna

But today Ford and GM products are every bit equal to their equivalent Honda, Toyota, Hyundai products.

Perhaps, But look at what happened in order for them to bring that par up...

I agree 100 percent and I am a GM guy to the end.
Perception is hard to change, people need to understand that GM and Ford DO make good cars!

 

[Ursae_Majoris]

Originally Posted By: wapacz
Any one else hear that hyundia is some how getting atleast some parts for less than material costs.

Never heard of it, but I do know that Hyundai is a very diversified company. I have a Hyundai DVD player, for example.
They built tanks, tanker ships, electronics; I would not be surprised if they owned a steel mill or two. Their part cost might be lower due to vertical integration.

 

[AcuraTech]

Of course this turns into a domestic/foreign flaming match. It is BITOG, after all. Stay on topic, people.

Fact is that Hyundai came up in the game by blatantly copying Toyota engine design. Once they started selling enough cars, they finally put some money into their own R&D. I still wouldn't drive one.

Technically Hyundai may beat Honda, but only on a small statistical anomaly. I still see Honda as the greener company, for their role in hybrid vehicles and the fact they they don't make a production V-8 engine, unlike Hyundai.

 

[AcuraTech]

BTW, I enjoyed the "ornamentation" in the picture attached to the link.

 

[wapacz]

Originally Posted By: Ursae_Majoris
Originally Posted By: wapacz
Any one else hear that hyundia is some how getting atleast some parts for less than material costs.

Never heard of it, but I do know that Hyundai is a very diversified company. I have a Hyundai DVD player, for example.
They built tanks, tanker ships, electronics; I would not be surprised if they owned a steel mill or two. Their part cost might be lower due to vertical integration.


True I forgot how many things they made. Probably own a plastics company also some where.

 

[Popinski]

Originally Posted By: AcuraTech
Of course this turns into a domestic/foreign flaming match. It is BITOG, after all. Stay on topic, people.

Fact is that Hyundai came up in the game by blatantly copying Toyota engine design. Once they started selling enough cars, they finally put some money into their own R&D. I still wouldn't drive one.


You really need to check your research/history. Please do not post false information.

Where did you get that information? Did you pull it out of your rear?

 

[Ben99GT]

Originally Posted By: Tim H.
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: Chuck1986
I'll take a Hyundai over any domestic manufacturer...they're right up there with the elite Japanese automakers that are light years ahead of the game.

at you...not with you.


You know GM and Ford did the same thing as your doing now when Toyota and Honda came ashore... Seems we never learn.


Don't worry, I was laughing at the part of the statement that I italicized. Blatant inaccuracy, on several levels.

 

[jmsjags]

Originally Posted By: AcuraTech
Technically Hyundai may beat Honda, but only on a small statistical anomaly.


how do u figure that? hyundai makes a sports car and a full-size v8 luxury sedan and still gets better CAFE. honda makes nothing but boring economobiles and can't keep up

 

[Propflux01]

Originally Posted By: ls1mike
Originally Posted By: Tim H.
Originally Posted By: rudolphna

But today Ford and GM products are every bit equal to their equivalent Honda, Toyota, Hyundai products.

Perhaps, But look at what happened in order for them to bring that par up...

I agree 100 percent and I am a GM guy to the end.
Perception is hard to change, people need to understand that GM and Ford DO make good cars!


And people need to Understand the same about Hyundai.

 

[KrisZ]

Originally Posted By: Tim H.
Originally Posted By: ls1mike
Originally Posted By: Tim H.
Originally Posted By: rudolphna

But today Ford and GM products are every bit equal to their equivalent Honda, Toyota, Hyundai products.

Perhaps, But look at what happened in order for them to bring that par up...

I agree 100 percent and I am a GM guy to the end.
Perception is hard to change, people need to understand that GM and Ford DO make good cars!


And people need to Understand the same about Hyundai.


People do not have to understand anything, it's up to the company to improve its image. Last time I checked, Ford and Hyundai do not whine about perception gaps, GM does. Sure, the perception gap is there, no doubt about that, but saying this publically hurts the image even more, because you're insulting the customer.

I think GM finally realized this, as I don't recall them complaining about perception gap anymore.

 

[Popinski]

I think Korean and American cars are extremely under-rated.

...and a big no thanks to people like AcuraTech for false information.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: AcuraTech
Of course this turns into a domestic/foreign flaming match. It is BITOG, after all. Stay on topic, people.

Fact is that Hyundai came up in the game by blatantly copying Toyota engine design. Once they started selling enough cars, they finally put some money into their own R&D. I still wouldn't drive one.

Technically Hyundai may beat Honda, but only on a small statistical anomaly. I still see Honda as the greener company, for their role in hybrid vehicles and the fact they they don't make a production V-8 engine, unlike Hyundai.


Toyota came up by copying the GM Stove Bolt. Toyota's first cars were GM clones.

 

[Propflux01]

Originally Posted By: KrisZ
....People do not have to understand anything, it's up to the company to improve its image.


What I am saying is when a company, such as Ford or Hyundai (in this case since were talking about them) HAS improved it's image, and have statistics from various sources to back it up, there are still those who bash the companies with most, if not all never even giving an unbiased chance to find out for themselves. Remember the yesteryear "Ford Vs Chevy" fights you had in High School? (in my case, 70's and 80's) Well, while you were fighting, Toyota and Honda slipped on by and blew both out the water, both statistically, sales, and in engineering. Yet those people still bashed them because they weren't "Fords Or Chevys". or "American"... That being said, sometimes it IS the customer who needs to understand, or better yet, get a reality check.