How reliable is the 3.0L V6 vs the 2.2L 4 cylinders in the 1997-2001 Camrys?

I like the 4 cyl model way better. Super easy maintenance. If it shifts fine you can bring it back with a couple tranny fluid changes, and also get it right as rain with new timing belt (and driven accessories if you so want.) Even if you hire it out the 4 cyl will come in way cheaper.

I had the V6, plenty of punch. IIRC premium fuel helps with power on that motor. Never really used the power, so, meh. Agree on checking the alloys for wear-- that dealer was up to some shenanigans to be sure.

Ironically the 4 cyls are worth more (IMO) than the V6s once they're this age because practicality beats fashion. Dealers that want more money for the V6 are deluding themselves.

In another spot of irony, the extended wheelbase Camry better known as the Avalon is even cheaper at this vintage, as they were originally owned by more wealthy people who wanted something understated and "reliable" (simply by being a brand new Toyota). Few want 15+ year old Avalons so their actual sale prices are in the pits.
Only way i'm buy that V6 camry is 1. They agree at the $3,500~ out the door or 2. replace the timing belt, water pump, radiator and all 6 spark plugs at their asking price.

No way I'm paying 4495+TTL then having to dump another $1000~ to make it reliable.
 
I like the 4 cyl model way better. Super easy maintenance. If it shifts fine you can bring it back with a couple tranny fluid changes, and also get it right as rain with new timing belt (and driven accessories if you so want.) Even if you hire it out the 4 cyl will come in way cheaper.

I had the V6, plenty of punch. IIRC premium fuel helps with power on that motor. Never really used the power, so, meh. Agree on checking the alloys for wear-- that dealer was up to some shenanigans to be sure.

Ironically the 4 cyls are worth more (IMO) than the V6s once they're this age because practicality beats fashion. Dealers that want more money for the V6 are deluding themselves.

In another spot of irony, the extended wheelbase Camry better known as the Avalon is even cheaper at this vintage, as they were originally owned by more wealthy people who wanted something understated and "reliable" (simply by being a brand new Toyota). Few want 15+ year old Avalons so their actual sale prices are in the pits.
Avalon is a good idea. Lexus ES300 too.
 
You probably won't get a better deal anywhere else. Give it an inspection and if it's a good vehicle, invest in it.
Yeah, it looks super clean. He's the 2nd owner. Put new brake lines also. I contacted a mobile mechanic near me for a quote on a timing belt job, water pump, and spark plugs replaced on a V6 Camry. Guy wants $1,000 just for labor. Parts are $300~ from Advance Auto Parts.. That V6 Camry will only be worth it if I can get it for $3500~ otd. Even if the dealer replaces that stuff or splits the cost with me, I am not paying their asking price.

Gas I am not to worried about since it is a 3-day on sight job and 2 days at home.
 
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Guy wants $1,000 just for labor. Parts are $300~ from Advance Auto Parts..
Both times I did my TB I ordered from here:
https://www.timingbeltkit.com/
Quality parts as I didn’t want to do it twice. Well, before it was due anyhow.

I also didn’t bother with universal coolant and sprang for some from the dealer. Only recently did I realize that is supposed to be charged every 30k… oops.
 
Both times I did my TB I ordered from here:
https://www.timingbeltkit.com/
Quality parts as I didn’t want to do it twice. Well, before it was due anyhow.

I also didn’t bother with universal coolant and sprang for some from the dealer. Only recently did I realize that is supposed to be charged every 30k… oops.
I'm taking a pass on that V6 Camry. Went and took a look at it and it's clean but not worth what their asking. I started at $3500 otd. They were at $5,700. She went down to $5,400. I went up to 3800. Too far away 😂 I even told them I'd pay $4,000 (threw it out there to see if she's serious) if they did the timing belt and water pump along with the sparkplugs. She didn't budge so I'll take a pass.

I called the mechanic that did the timing belt and water pump on my dad's 98 4-cylinder Camry. He's an ex-Toyota mechanic. He told me he'd charge me $600 for the timing belt and water pump service using Asin Timing belt kit and OEM Toyota coolant. Parts $200~ off rock auto. So, $400 for labor? Jesus.

I'm going to look into 4-cylinder ones. Even if they have higher miles, at least the timing belt has been done and whatnot. And I am not paying double the market value.
 
I'm taking a pass on that V6 Camry. Went and took a look at it and it's clean but not worth what their asking. I started at $3500 otd. They were at $5,700. She went down to $5,400. I went up to 3800. Too far away 😂 I even told them I'd pay $4,000 (threw it out there to see if she's serious) if they did the timing belt and water pump along with the sparkplugs. She didn't budge so I'll take a pass.

I called the mechanic that did the timing belt and water pump on my dad's 98 4-cylinder Camry. He's an ex-Toyota mechanic. He told me he'd charge me $600 for the timing belt and water pump service using Asin Timing belt kit and OEM Toyota coolant. Parts $200~ off rock auto. So, $400 for labor? Jesus.

I'm going to look into 4-cylinder ones. Even if they have higher miles, at least the timing belt has been done and whatnot. And I am not paying double the market value.
$5700 for a Camry that's old enough to walk into a bar and order a beer is insane.
 
$5700 for a Camry that's old enough to walk into a bar and order a beer is insane.
She got mad when I offered her $3,500 out the door. I'm like dude it's a 25-year-old car almost. The timing belt hasn't been replaced, the water pump hasn't been replaced, the spark plugs haven't been replaced, and the struts are original. I'll have to dump like $2k~ into the car in a year or two (over exaggerated a little. The car drove fine nothing out of the ordinary. No odd noises).

It doesn't have 50k miles on it to be worth that much. I showed her a 1999 Camry XLE V6 that sold on cars and bids for $8,200. The car only had (at the time it was listed on C&B) 25k miles. I think $4,000 for that camry was pushing it.

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/9lQ4oNlO/1999-toyota-camry-xle-v6-sedan
 
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The 2.2L 5S-FE I4 is MUCH better than than the 3.0L V6 1MZ-FE

The 1MZ from 97 and up is very prone to sludge, one of the few engines that actually does require a 3k OCI with synthetic, and it is impossible to work on if you need to get to the back of the engine (valve cover gaskets, spark plugs, forget it!).

Both have timing belts, but they are both non-interference engines.
 
The 2.2L 5S-FE I4 is MUCH better than than the 3.0L V6 1MZ-FE

The 1MZ from 97 and up is very prone to sludge, one of the few engines that actually does require a 3k OCI with synthetic, and it is impossible to work on if you need to get to the back of the engine (valve cover gaskets, spark plugs, forget it!).

Both have timing belts, but they are both non-interference engines.
Man, should've kept dad's old camry if I knew I would've wanted a beater. Thing ran like a champ. Before we sold it, we put new rear wheel bearings and a windshield In it. Oil pump gasket etc was replaced 1 year before we sold it.

Sold it because water was getting inside the car from the driver's side because of a dented door. But, we brought it CPO back in 2000. Dad was the 2nd owner.

Sold that thing for the $1500 w/188k miles on it
 

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You're probably better off looking private party, cars at this price point are tricky to buy from a dealer.
I've found a couple of private party ones. 1. is a 1999 w/200k miles on it. The guy wants $2200. No rust. Timing belt etc done.
2. 2001 Toyota Camry LE 4 cylinder 157k miles. Timing belt was done 10k miles ago. Guy want's $2700~ I mean hell I could get either one for around 1800~.

There are a couple out there with lower miles for cheaper. Granted it's not an XLE or in super good shape. But, I just want a car idc about . If there are ones missing hupcaps or what have you, I can get OEM-looking ones for like $40 off Amazon. If the interior is a bit dirty, I can rent a carpet cleaner from home depot and clean the seats.
 
You have no idea on that dealerships cost basis and they thrive on emotional decisions so good job sticking to your goal.

Good luck with looking at the other two.
She said she brought the car from a local Toyota dealership(it was traded in there for a new Camry). I know she didn't pay more than let's say $1k for the car? If she paid more than $1,000 for that thing, she needs to leave the car business 🤣.

All they did was detail the car changed the oil and slapped it on the lot. I asked her to show me what she has in the car and I'll pay $1000 over that. She wouldn't do it.

I think I was being fair.
 
Actually i am pretty sure many dealers are holding the bag on their inventory and holding out for their big fish, but some do decide to take losses here and there. Its impossible to know unless you work there in management.

It has been a terrible market for buyers since August 2020. Things finally seem to be starting to even and dip some.
 
Actually i am pretty sure many dealers are holding the bag on their inventory and holding out for their big fish, but some do decide to take losses here and there. Its impossible to know unless you work there in management.

It has been a terrible market for buyers since August 2020. Things finally seem to be starting to even and dip some.
Yeah, I mean it was nice but like I said not $6k nice.
 
Man, I wonder what some of these sellers are on. I've seen maybe a dozen sellers asking $3k-$3500 for 97-01 Camrys with 250k+ miles on them.
 
I've found a couple of private party ones. 1. is a 1999 w/200k miles on it. The guy wants $2200. No rust. Timing belt etc done.
2. 2001 Toyota Camry LE 4 cylinder 157k miles. Timing belt was done 10k miles ago. Guy want's $2700~ I mean hell I could get either one for around 1800~.

There are a couple out there with lower miles for cheaper. Granted it's not an XLE or in super good shape. But, I just want a car idc about . If there are ones missing hupcaps or what have you, I can get OEM-looking ones for like $40 off Amazon. If the interior is a bit dirty, I can rent a carpet cleaner from home depot and clean the seats.
Nice deals. If rust free that is--look underneath, they rot from the bottom up. But this vintage holds its own it seems, and with the 5S-FE leaker, it has built in rustproofing.

I liked my hubcaps at first, but lately I've taken to not having them. Probably because I rotate my tires and when I'm driving a lot, it's too often that I'm pulling and installing those things.

I found out that while mine came with the 14" rims, the 16" rims from my departed '11 Camry fit just fine. Wrong size tire so it's kinda slow, but with snow tires it means it's a bit of a tank now, not enough power to break loose the taller tires. I know the speedo is now 5% off or whatever, but I don't care, a beige Camry is basically camouflaged as far as everyone cares.
 
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