So if there are only gas cars you are being forced into gas cars? Or a million other things. Is that in Britain a law or a proposal? Proposals are a dime a dozen.
How Many Here Are Turned Off By Electric Vehicles ?
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I’m sick of the “all or nothing” mentality from both the people who are pro EV and the anti-EV people, and the “but it can’t do x!” mentality. Yeah, there are people who actually need a greater range for their daily driving or are hauling a trailer for their job and are better served by an ICE vehicle, but most of the people saying “it’s only got 300 miles of range!” or “the range is terrible while towing!” are driving a mere fraction of that every day, or they’re driving
Is it some sort of crime I should have an EV for most of my driving and a gas powered pick up (or whatever size vehicle) for everything else? Because that’s how some people act.
Is it some sort of crime I should have an EV for most of my driving and a gas powered pick up (or whatever size vehicle) for everything else? Because that’s how some people act.
I am not against electric vehicles whatsoever in fact the quietness and performance is amazing. My concerns are range, dealing with a criminal enterprise (fact not some loony conspiracy theory, the thieves who run the system here need to thrown in a very dark hole for a very long time) to buy the fuel for it and maintaining that supply based on a never upgraded third world sub Saharan African style system.
Add lithium mining and where it comes from and who is attempting with some success at monopolizing the supply and it doesn't look good.
Nobody cares about electrifying heat.
they only focus on BEV using too much juice and figure electric heat makes sense in northern Alaska and Siberia
I really like them, but until they have the same convenience for recharging as a gas or diesel car does for re-fuelling it will just be a novelty to me. I could easily see having one for commuting to and from work, my commute is about 10 miles each way. But as far as driving one across the country, I'm not sure I feel comfortable with that yet.
Best part of electric is you leave the house every day with a full “tank”. Never visit a station again.
Vote with your wallet.
I'm ready for an electric vehicle.. I think it could replace the 2nd car 95% of the time. Just waiting on them to make something affordable.
I think a good start would be giving a rebate on them vs the current tax credit system which is broken unless you make about 80k+ a year.
We are trying to get everyone to buy them why are we only discounting it for people who can afford it?
A hatchback or sedan with true 150+mile range for 15-20k,
also has to be liveable no seats that kill your back, or tinny AM sounding radio.
While some would consider it a penalty box .. an electric car similar to say... a hyundai elantra sedan or Elantra GT size vehicle.
There are many issues.. but that is everything in life.
I'm ready for an electric vehicle.. I think it could replace the 2nd car 95% of the time. Just waiting on them to make something affordable.
I think a good start would be giving a rebate on them vs the current tax credit system which is broken unless you make about 80k+ a year.
We are trying to get everyone to buy them why are we only discounting it for people who can afford it?
A hatchback or sedan with true 150+mile range for 15-20k,
also has to be liveable no seats that kill your back, or tinny AM sounding radio.
While some would consider it a penalty box .. an electric car similar to say... a hyundai elantra sedan or Elantra GT size vehicle.
There are many issues.. but that is everything in life.
New battery tech and boom all that lithium mining etc is old news. Gas cars are full of mined materials, and driven by oil pumped from ancient deposits in the earth’s crust. Same monopolized mining for other materials. I know people from Ghana, suddenly the PRC is interested in them because of bauxite, gold, coffee and who knows what else. Before no one from PRC would set foot in Ghana.
I'm not ready to own a car that could theoretically be rung up via cell service, have the OS updated, and subsequently auto drive me to jail, LOL. 
Various cities in California are banning gas hookups in new residential buildings entirely, quite a few other cities in other states are doing or trying to do the same thing.
On the other side, a few states have flat out banned the banning of natural gas.
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I agree, when I someday get into an electric car, I've got 2 gas ones that I can drive on a longer trip if I don't feel like stopping for 20-30 min at a Tesla Supercharger.
How often do you drive across the country?
In earthquake country the aging natural gas system in CA is a disaster. CA has always been big on natural gas. At Stanford they have their own electric generating plant using natural gas. They consume such an enormous amount of electricity they had to put their own plant in. There are all kinds of stories out there one side or the other. It’s easy to get the wrong conclusion when there is another reason for something being done.
Gee, ya think an EV is not for everyone?
We took a short drive to Meno Park (Stanford University area) during the 49er half time. The Shell Station had gas for $5.29 to $5.69 I believe.
There were about 15 to 20 Teslas lined up and charging in the back parking. One was a brand new Plaid, I believe.
I felt so inferior in our Model 3...
Couple of bro-dozers and, heck, all kinds of vehicles. Love 'em all...
Room for everybody.
There is one thing for the naysayers... If America does not continue to develop EVs, we are giving the tech to someone else...
Anyone heard of the semiconductor chip shortage?
We took a short drive to Meno Park (Stanford University area) during the 49er half time. The Shell Station had gas for $5.29 to $5.69 I believe.
There were about 15 to 20 Teslas lined up and charging in the back parking. One was a brand new Plaid, I believe.
I felt so inferior in our Model 3...
Couple of bro-dozers and, heck, all kinds of vehicles. Love 'em all...
Room for everybody.
There is one thing for the naysayers... If America does not continue to develop EVs, we are giving the tech to someone else...
Anyone heard of the semiconductor chip shortage?
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We have 2 gas cars and a Tesla Model 3. Our local gasoline is +/-$5 US/US gallon. Our climate is mild in both summer and winter. Our electricity is primarily from renewable sources. Our typical daily drives are less than 150 Km. Our Model 3 has a range of at least 350 Km. It has a heat pump so heating and cooling are both quite efficient.
We drive the Tesla 95% of the time. We charge it at home so it starts every day fully charged. I'm not sure yet whether the Tesla will be good for cross country driving but then again we have 2 gas cars.
This is not an either/or question. Having both makes a great combination. Most of our Kms will be electrical.
For those who hate EVs, I have a question, "Have you driven one?"
We drive the Tesla 95% of the time. We charge it at home so it starts every day fully charged. I'm not sure yet whether the Tesla will be good for cross country driving but then again we have 2 gas cars.
This is not an either/or question. Having both makes a great combination. Most of our Kms will be electrical.
For those who hate EVs, I have a question, "Have you driven one?"
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A quick glance at California, it seems they can't afford it. Transmission is expensive, and is typically covered via another charge, not the per kWh rate. In Ontario, it is paid for through delivery, which does have a consumption component, on top of a base rate, but it's separate from what we pay per kWh and we don't know what the consumption component actually is.
IF there were only gas cars, then yes, that's your only choice. But that's not reality. In reality, current choices include gasoline, diesel, hybrid, and electric. I'm all for freedom of choice: all should be available (without gov't subsidies of any kind) and let the market do its thing.
Here, read for yourself: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidr...hy-are-experts-not-impressed/?sh=5f003d4d36e4
When/ if they become a viable alternative to our IC powered vehicles (meaning similar range and opportunities/convenience to refuel) I'd consider one.
I rode an electric M/C that a friend of mine raced. It was impressive.
I rode an electric M/C that a friend of mine raced. It was impressive.
Practical is a relative term. It has to fit your life, and the manufacturers aren't saying these cars fit 100% of the lifestyles out there. That's why Toyota sells a Corolla, Chevy a Suburban, Ford a Super Duty, and Dodge a Charger - along with 10+ other models from each major manufacturer. I'm glad we have the choices we do!
Taxes is what has kept me from buying one. That and my trusty TSX won't die (best car I've ever owned - 288k miles). I don't mind laying down cash for vehicles, but having to pay 4% tax on them each year burns me up. Tax bill on our new Tahoe is $3k this year...after we paid $3500 in sales tax on it when we bought it. Need a Montana LLC...
A weekend in a Model 3 sold me on it. Not for everyone, though!
PS - Here's a cool pic of my 5 year old "filling" up the old girl.
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