How good is Royal Purple

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Originally Posted By: JOD
Originally Posted By: DragRace


There is no recipe,period. This website is known for RP bashing.This used to be a website to goto for reliable,hard facts you could learn about,but anymore,it's full of misinformation.In the real world useage of this oil,I've seen engines tore down for both street and track that have run Royal Purple oils with no issues.


Wow, the persecution complex of those who like a particular oil is just baffling to me. If "not having issues" is the benchmark for an oil...well, that's a pretty low bar. Here are the facts: the oil appears to have very average NOACK, VI and -30 pumpability--specs on which it's surpassed by Quaker State UD, which is significantly less money. That's not "hate", those are cold hard facts: PQIA Test Results

Sure, specs don't tell you everything, but they do give some insight. It's reasonable to believe that if RP used a significantly "better" base oil, some basic specs like NOACK and -30C mPa would be better relative to its competition. As such, it's hard to really see the value in it given the information that's out there, at least to me. It doesn't make it "bad oil", I just don't see why I would choose it relative to other oils if it's priced higher (and it is where I've seen it). If that's "hate", then I really don't know what to say??

JOD you're right, and based on those spec's it's pretty clear to most of us here that the basic RP grades like their 5W-20 and 5w30 are GP III based oil. Now there is nothing wrong with that but is it worth the price they're charging for it? IMO no.
 
I think im just going to run the RP and a Fram Ultra for my next OC in the fall (or possibly sooner) and see how it goes, Ill update this thread with my opinion and thoughts. Currently have in 5W-20 Mobil 1 with the Mobil 1 M113 filter.
 
Originally Posted By: gfh77665
Originally Posted By: MBS500
I see similarity of OCOD bashing. It is bashed mainly because you can get better filter for same or lower price.


Difference is, is that maybe 90% of the filters generally available are of a higher quality than the OCOD. Conversely, 90% of the oils generally available are NOT better than RP. You cannot compare a low quality filter with a very high quality oil.

difference is that some oils that are equal or better can be found for lower $$$ tag.
Noone says that RP is Cr@#p, just that it's expensive. Is it bashing? No, that's fact. Same as Motul, Pentosin, Elf, Selenia, Eneos Sustina for example.
 
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Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: dparm
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI


I really could care less what the PQIA tests show about RP oil. As you point out there is the paper results and then the real world results. I care about how it performs for me. In that regard it has done right by me since the early 90's. All that matters to me.



PQIA is an independent third-party that makes the data available to the public at no charge. Why wouldn't you want to go read it? Not sure why you're digging your heels in on that.


I am not digging my heels in. I just could care less. I am amazed that people seem aggitated that I don't.

Because that's being obtuse, which you claim you are not.

No one here has said RP is a bad oil. Everyone collectively agrees that it is overpriced compared to its competitors for no tangible reason or characteristic.

People have different opinions for the price hike, be it color dye or marketing or because it's the nectar of the gods.

I don't understand why your plan of attack is ignorance and making yourself seem childish. You're not defending RP, you're directly attacking caterham for his opinion and data while providing nothing but statements saying RP handles your OCI in your daily driver.

Originally Posted By: DragRace
Originally Posted By: JOD
Originally Posted By: DragRace


There is no recipe,period. This website is known for RP bashing.This used to be a website to goto for reliable,hard facts you could learn about,but anymore,it's full of misinformation.In the real world useage of this oil,I've seen engines tore down for both street and track that have run Royal Purple oils with no issues.


Wow, the persecution complex of those who like a particular oil is just baffling to me. If "not having issues" is the benchmark for an oil...well, that's a pretty low bar. Here are the facts: the oil appears to have very average NOACK, VI and -30 pumpability--specs on which it's surpassed by Quaker State UD, which is significantly less money. That's not "hate", those are cold hard facts: PQIA Test Results

Sure, specs don't tell you everything, but they do give some insight. It's reasonable to believe that if RP used a significantly "better" base oil, some basic specs like NOACK and -30C mPa would be better relative to its competition. As such, it's hard to really see the value in it given the information that's out there, at least to me. If that's "hate", then I really don't know what to say??




REAL world results I'll take over ANYTHING posted on a website,period!

Engine builders,like it!
I've seen many engines torn apart,AGAIN both street & track,clearances,etc were great that were using RP oil.

You dont like it? Dont use it! The bashing etc on this website is so rediculous it isnt even funny!

UNBELIEVABLE! I've said it before,I'm through wasting time with RP topics and it's the same [censored] posted over and over how it's such a bad oil,it's an overpriced oil,blah blah.

Not a single person has said it is a bad oil. It will not cause catastrophic failure and it will lubricate an engine well. You're being overly sensitive to consumer opinions on a competitive consumable product.
 
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Originally Posted By: DemoFly
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: dparm
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI


I really could care less what the PQIA tests show about RP oil. As you point out there is the paper results and then the real world results. I care about how it performs for me. In that regard it has done right by me since the early 90's. All that matters to me.



PQIA is an independent third-party that makes the data available to the public at no charge. Why wouldn't you want to go read it? Not sure why you're digging your heels in on that.


I am not digging my heels in. I just could care less. I am amazed that people seem aggitated that I don't.

Because that's being obtuse, which you claim you are not.

No one here has said RP is a bad oil. Everyone collectively agrees that it is overpriced compared to its competitors for no tangible reason or characteristic.

People have different opinions for the price hike, be it color dye or marketing or because it's the nectar of the gods.

I don't understand why your plan of attack is ignorance and making yourself seem childish. You're not defending RP, you're directly attacking caterham for his opinion and data while providing nothing but statements saying RP handles your OCI in your daily driver.

Originally Posted By: DragRace
Originally Posted By: JOD
Originally Posted By: DragRace


There is no recipe,period. This website is known for RP bashing.This used to be a website to goto for reliable,hard facts you could learn about,but anymore,it's full of misinformation.In the real world useage of this oil,I've seen engines tore down for both street and track that have run Royal Purple oils with no issues.


Wow, the persecution complex of those who like a particular oil is just baffling to me. If "not having issues" is the benchmark for an oil...well, that's a pretty low bar. Here are the facts: the oil appears to have very average NOACK, VI and -30 pumpability--specs on which it's surpassed by Quaker State UD, which is significantly less money. That's not "hate", those are cold hard facts: PQIA Test Results

Sure, specs don't tell you everything, but they do give some insight. It's reasonable to believe that if RP used a significantly "better" base oil, some basic specs like NOACK and -30C mPa would be better relative to its competition. As such, it's hard to really see the value in it given the information that's out there, at least to me. If that's "hate", then I really don't know what to say??




REAL world results I'll take over ANYTHING posted on a website,period!

Engine builders,like it!
I've seen many engines torn apart,AGAIN both street & track,clearances,etc were great that were using RP oil.

You dont like it? Dont use it! The bashing etc on this website is so rediculous it isnt even funny!

UNBELIEVABLE! I've said it before,I'm through wasting time with RP topics and it's the same [censored] posted over and over how it's such a bad oil,it's an overpriced oil,blah blah.

Not a single person has said it is a bad oil. It will not cause catastrophic failure and it will lubricate an engine well. You're being overly sensitive to consumer opinions on a competitive consumable product.


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Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: JOD
Originally Posted By: DragRace


There is no recipe,period. This website is known for RP bashing.This used to be a website to goto for reliable,hard facts you could learn about,but anymore,it's full of misinformation.In the real world useage of this oil,I've seen engines tore down for both street and track that have run Royal Purple oils with no issues.


Wow, the persecution complex of those who like a particular oil is just baffling to me. If "not having issues" is the benchmark for an oil...well, that's a pretty low bar. Here are the facts: the oil appears to have very average NOACK, VI and -30 pumpability--specs on which it's surpassed by Quaker State UD, which is significantly less money. That's not "hate", those are cold hard facts: PQIA Test Results

Sure, specs don't tell you everything, but they do give some insight. It's reasonable to believe that if RP used a significantly "better" base oil, some basic specs like NOACK and -30C mPa would be better relative to its competition. As such, it's hard to really see the value in it given the information that's out there, at least to me. It doesn't make it "bad oil", I just don't see why I would choose it relative to other oils if it's priced higher (and it is where I've seen it). If that's "hate", then I really don't know what to say??

JOD you're right, and based on those spec's it's pretty clear to most of us here that the basic RP grades like their 5W-20 and 5w30 are GP III based oil. Now there is nothing wrong with that but is it worth the price they're charging for it? IMO no.

Thank you for the insight as to what you guys are looking at in the specs, I must not be in the majority of the 46k members we have, as I cant simply look at specs and determine base oil and overall quality. I have been over simplifying by looking at used oil analysis and wear numbers. I am slowly learning.
 
Originally Posted By: MBS500
difference is that some oils that are equal or better can be found for lower $$$ tag.
Noone says that RP is Cr@#p, just that it's expensive. Is it bashing? No, that's fact. Same as Motul, Pentosin, Elf, Selenia, Eneos Sustina for example.


1 - YES many people here( on BITOG )DO call RP Cr@#p. They DO. Flat out make claims it is bad oil even if they have never used it. Happens a lot and thus some generalized comments get made by those of us who defend the stuff. Maybe not this thread specifically but it does happen all the time here at BITOG.

2 - Again with this price thing.
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It is so wrong it isn't funny. 1st of all you need to be specific and say you are tallking about the API formula and not the HPS or XPR lines which are definitely a better oil than the average stuff on store shelves and thus cost more. People just say "RP" as a collective and it is wrong to do so. Like Amsoil( that never goes through this too expensive bull )RP offers different formulas of oil so be specific which one you are refering to please.

When talking about their new(er) API oils, which is a fair comparison against M1/VVL/Pennzoil Platinum / Pennzoil Ultra/Quaker State Ultimate Durability/etc..., the ONLY place oils are cheaper than RP( regular prices - not sales, BOGO, etc... )is at Wal-Mart or online through oil distributors or places like Amazon( RP can be had cheaper like that too however ). Even at Wal-Mart is is only the 5qt jugs that are cheaper.

Go to any national parts store chain in the US and the RP API oils will be right there with the M1's, Pennzoil Platinum / Pennzoil Ultra, QS, VVL, etc... Approx $9-$10 a qt. So the RP API oils are NOT more expensive than the other oils in truth. There is one place you can go and get the oils cheap everyday but not everyone will shop at Wal-Mart nor does everyone want oil in a 5qt jug. People do buy oil in 1qt bottles all the time and when that happens RP API is no more expensive than the others. FACT!

You can also get RP API oils dirt cheap when you find a sale. I got a bunch of it through PepBoys late last year( maybe early this year? )and paid just $30 for 5qts WITH an RP oil filter. That made the oil less than any 5qt jug of synthetic at Wal-Mart and I had a premium filter to boot. I have found deals other places for RP API as well that made it in the $5 range as well. My regular sources for it here( speed shops )get it for me for just $7.50-$8 a qt but I have stocked up on deals so I haven't had to get it there for a while now. I just found a deal the other day for a case of 5W20 shipped for $87. That is just $7.25 a qt shipped. Pretty good price. It was either Amazon or EBay can't recall.

So the deals are out there if people just look. It isn't hard. But, you have to be willing to use it and frankly despite the claims they would "if it was cheap enough" I don't think most of those saying that really would ever give it a try.
 
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Originally Posted By: fdcg27
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the Purp police should run 10K OCIs of the stuff in their own machines and then post the used oil analysis for observation, comment and critique.


Do you somehow think it is as easy as saying "POOF" and you have just wracked up 10K so you can do a used oil analysis? I already stated I would do so but it won't be until approx Sept before I have the miles. Won't be 10K( I am not allowed to go past 8K due to warranty requirements )but should be 7500-8000.

I would have done it sooner but the vehicle is only 2 years old( in Aug )and I don't drive a ton anymore. I had to let it break in 1st as well. You can't just expect those miles to magically appear. You have to give people time to accumulate them.

Also, we all know it takes a few runs on an oil to get an accurate used oil analysis. One run of RP API after a bunch of another brand won't exactly provide accurate results be they stellar or lousy. You need at least 2 runs on the oil brand you are testing, 3 would be better, so you are now talking 20-30K before a used oil analysis.

My FF was swapped out early to GTX for a short run. After that all my engine has seen is RP API 5W20 so my used oil analysis @ approx 20K will be a decent barometer I hope.
 
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Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: MBS500
difference is that some oils that are equal or better can be found for lower $$$ tag.
Noone says that RP is Cr@#p, just that it's expensive. Is it bashing? No, that's fact. Same as Motul, Pentosin, Elf, Selenia, Eneos Sustina for example.


1 - YES many people here( on BITOG )DO call RP Cr@#p. They DO. Flat out make claims it is bad oil even if they have never used it. Happens a lot and thus some generalized comments get made by those of us who defend the stuff. Maybe not this thread specifically but it does happen all the time here at BITOG.

2 - Again with this price thing.
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It is so wrong it isn't funny. 1st of all you need to be specific and say you are tallking about the API formula and not the HPS or XPR lines which are definitely a better oil than the average stuff on store shelves and thus cost more. People just say "RP" as a collective and it is wrong to do so. Like Amsoil( that never goes through this too expensive bull )RP offers different formulas of oil so be specific which one you are refering to please.

When talking about their new(er) API oils, which is a fair comparison against M1/VVL/Pennzoil Platinum / Pennzoil Ultra/Quaker State Ultimate Durability/etc..., the ONLY place oils are cheaper than RP( regular prices - not sales, BOGO, etc... )is at Wal-Mart or online through oil distributors or places like Amazon( RP can be had cheaper like that too however ). Even at Wal-Mart is is only the 5qt jugs that are cheaper.

Go to any national parts store chain in the US and the RP API oils will be right there with the M1's, Pennzoil Platinum / Pennzoil Ultra, QS, VVL, etc... Approx $9-$10 a qt. So the RP API oils are NOT more expensive than the other oils in truth. There is one place you can go and get the oils cheap everyday but not everyone will shop at Wal-Mart nor does everyone want oil in a 5qt jug. People do buy oil in 1qt bottles all the time and when that happens RP API is no more expensive than the others. FACT!

You can also get RP API oils dirt cheap when you find a sale. I got a bunch of it through PepBoys late last year( maybe early this year? )and paid just $30 for 5qts WITH an RP oil filter. That made the oil less than any 5qt jug of synthetic at Wal-Mart and I had a premium filter to boot. I have found deals other places for RP API as well that made it in the $5 range as well. My regular sources for it here( speed shops )get it for me for just $7.50-$8 a qt but I have stocked up on deals so I haven't had to get it there for a while now. I just found a deal the other day for a case of 5W20 shipped for $87. That is just $7.25 a qt shipped. Pretty good price. It was either Amazon or EBay can't recall.

So the deals are out there if people just look. It isn't hard. But, you have to be willing to use it and frankly despite the claims they would "if it was cheap enough" I don't think most of those saying that really would ever give it a try.


People obviously do not look,that the key
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Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: MBS500
difference is that some oils that are equal or better can be found for lower $$$ tag.
Noone says that RP is Cr@#p, just that it's expensive. Is it bashing? No, that's fact. Same as Motul, Pentosin, Elf, Selenia, Eneos Sustina for example.


1 - YES many people here( on BITOG )DO call RP Cr@#p. They DO. Flat out make claims it is bad oil even if they have never used it. Happens a lot and thus some generalized comments get made by those of us who defend the stuff. Maybe not this thread specifically but it does happen all the time here at BITOG.

2 - Again with this price thing.
mad.gif
It is so wrong it isn't funny. 1st of all you need to be specific and say you are tallking about the API formula and not the HPS or XPR lines which are definitely a better oil than the average stuff on store shelves and thus cost more. People just say "RP" as a collective and it is wrong to do so. Like Amsoil( that never goes through this too expensive bull )RP offers different formulas of oil so be specific which one you are refering to please.

When talking about their new(er) API oils, which is a fair comparison against M1/VVL/Pennzoil Platinum / Pennzoil Ultra/Quaker State Ultimate Durability/etc..., the ONLY place oils are cheaper than RP( regular prices - not sales, BOGO, etc... )is at Wal-Mart or online through oil distributors or places like Amazon( RP can be had cheaper like that too however ). Even at Wal-Mart is is only the 5qt jugs that are cheaper.

Go to any national parts store chain in the US and the RP API oils will be right there with the M1's, Pennzoil Platinum / Pennzoil Ultra, QS, VVL, etc... Approx $9-$10 a qt. So the RP API oils are NOT more expensive than the other oils in truth. There is one place you can go and get the oils cheap everyday but not everyone will shop at Wal-Mart nor does everyone want oil in a 5qt jug. People do buy oil in 1qt bottles all the time and when that happens RP API is no more expensive than the others. FACT!

You can also get RP API oils dirt cheap when you find a sale. I got a bunch of it through PepBoys late last year( maybe early this year? )and paid just $30 for 5qts WITH an RP oil filter. That made the oil less than any 5qt jug of synthetic at Wal-Mart and I had a premium filter to boot. I have found deals other places for RP API as well that made it in the $5 range as well. My regular sources for it here( speed shops )get it for me for just $7.50-$8 a qt but I have stocked up on deals so I haven't had to get it there for a while now. I just found a deal the other day for a case of 5W20 shipped for $87. That is just $7.25 a qt shipped. Pretty good price. It was either Amazon or EBay can't recall.

So the deals are out there if people just look. It isn't hard. But, you have to be willing to use it and frankly despite the claims they would "if it was cheap enough" I don't think most of those saying that really would ever give it a try.


Sure, there are posters on this forum that call RP garbage oil, just like there are others that call M1 garbage. Everyone has an opinion, whether they have used the oils in question or not, but when the mods start supressing opinions on this site it's the beginning of the end of the forums. Now, when it comes to posters attacking each other instead of debating the oils, filter, additives, etc, well then the mods do need to step in.

I posted a few pages back that when the regular retail prices of quarts are used as a comparison, one can get RP API SN at O'Reilly for $9.79/quart, which is about the same price as the other well known big name brands. Quaker State Ultimate Durability is a bit cheaper than that. The RP HPS non-API oil with the Synerlec additive is priced at $9.99/quart. For an additional $0.20, you can upgrade to the formula that used to be their standard offering. The Synerlec is what everyone raved about in RP, so with such a small price difference between the HPS and the API stuff, I think that not just RP is priced over what its value is but any regular syn oil priced >$9/quart does not provide a good value for the price. O'Reilly does now carry a couple of 5-quart jugs of the 5W-20 and 5w30 in the API SN oil, but the price is still $45.99 a jug ($9.20/quart). For a comparison, their M1 jugs are $35.99 each. It seems that RP isn't interested in offering much of a discount when selling in bulk like the other majors do.

I don't have a PB in WI, so I rarely see the 5 quart and a filter deal for $30 here so I'm at a bit of a disadvantage. I would consider trying it at that price in our Mountaineer, just to see what happenes. But alas, I have so much FAR oil that I don't need to pay full or sale price for anything for a while.

Oh, and I wouldn't call $3.50/quart for syn oil dirt cheap. That's probably what the actual everyday price should be, or at least no higher than $5/quart. Dirt cheap would be the $0.43/quart I recently paid for 24 quarts of Quaker State Ultimate Durability via sale price and MIR.

These are my opinions and I speak for nobody else but myself.
 
Someone who uses RP and would like to see how it performs in use must drive 10K in less than six months.
I know that I do.
I do look forward to seeing your 7.5-8K UOA of Purp.
There aren't many RP used oil analysis posted here, so it woulf be nice to see one added.
 
Originally Posted By: threeputtpar
Sure, there are posters on this forum that call RP garbage oil, just like there are others that call M1 garbage.


No...not even close...

Like saying Purolator filters get trash talked as much as Fram. Simply not true.
 
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Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Someone who uses RP and would like to see how it performs in use must drive 10K in less than six months.
I know that I do.


I am disabled due to MS and no longer can work so I don't drive a lot now. Approx 650-800 miles a month on average now although it can be more if something causes me to drive extra miles like taking my Dad to NY back in March. Sorry, but 10K for me is a year+. The only reason I will have 7500-8000 on this OC is because of that trip.
 
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I can assure you that I don't rack up miles just for the pleasure of it.
My wife and I do about 40K a year between us, and that's mostly commuting back and forth to work, along with weekend driving and weekend trips.
I'm sorry to learn of your chronic condition.
You remind me that I should be very thankful to enjoy good health, since anybody could be afflcited with a chronic, incurable disease.
 
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
I can assure you that I don't rack up miles just for the pleasure of it.
My wife and I do about 40K a year between us, and that's mostly commuting back and forth to work, along with weekend driving and weekend trips.
I'm sorry to learn of your chronic condition.
You remind me that I should be very thankful to enjoy good health, since anybody could be afflcited with a chronic, incurable disease.


Yeah, and it can hit you out of the blue with no warning at a young age( 41 for me ), even if you have never been sick before, and change your whole life. It sort of puts infantile oil arguments into the proper perspective.
 
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Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
+1
the Purp police should run 10K OCIs of the stuff in their own machines and then post the used oil analysis for observation, comment and critique.


Do you somehow think it is as easy as saying "POOF" and you have just wracked up 10K so you can do a used oil analysis? I already stated I would do so but it won't be until approx Sept before I have the miles. Won't be 10K( I am not allowed to go past 8K due to warranty requirements )but should be 7500-8000.

I would have done it sooner but the vehicle is only 2 years old( in Aug )and I don't drive a ton anymore. I had to let it break in 1st as well. You can't just expect those miles to magically appear. You have to give people time to accumulate them.

Also, we all know it takes a few runs on an oil to get an accurate used oil analysis. One run of RP API after a bunch of another brand won't exactly provide accurate results be they stellar or lousy. You need at least 2 runs on the oil brand you are testing, 3 would be better, so you are now talking 20-30K before a used oil analysis.

My FF was swapped out early to GTX for a short run. After that all my engine has seen is RP API 5W20 so my used oil analysis @ approx 20K will be a decent barometer I hope.


Just bringing this back up to provide an update.

I collected and have sent an oil sample of the newer RP API SN oil to Blackstone today. I didn't end up with the 7500-8000 miles I thought I might see( I just don't drive a lot these days )but I had to do the change as I was a month past due already. As soon as I get the results I will post them in the used oil analysis forum.

7 months and 6700 miles of use on 5W20 using an RP filter as well. We will see how it did? I got the standard analysis plus added TBN.

To be continued...
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This is a valid complaint to RP IMO. Copied directly from their website.

"Performance Advantages


Better wear protection

Enhanced additive technology prevents metal-to-metal contact beyond both dexos1™* and ILSAC GF-5 specs
Increased fuel efficiency

A low coefficient of friction results in optimized fuel efficiency (the fuel economy of our 5w30 meets the fuel economy requirements of a 5W-20 oil)
Better protection of the expensive catalytic emission system

Patented ZDDP additives optimize emissions catalyst system life
Improved compatibility with fuels containing ethanol

Patented additive technology prevents the white sludge and lubrication starvation that can occur with 20% or higher ethanol fuel
Superior corrosion protection

No rust observed in standard industry testing".

Why would you market your product in this way? Nothing stands out. This is very misleading to a non BITOGER. Their API SN oil meets API Specs and exceeds DEXOS specs. Nothing else. Instead of acknowledging the fact RP tries to market their product by toting the fact it meets very mild performance requirements that every API certified oil has to meet to be certified. Like ZDDP limits and rust prevention.

Is this a bad product. No.
But by the same token it does not exceed any performance requirements any synthetic oil you can buy and it lacking many certifications at the same time.
 
Can anyone locate actual PDS's for RP WITH ACTUAL DATA on them? I even called RP and they sent me the same PDS that is off their website. No numbers at all. I get it, they don't want to get wrapped up in the "numbers game" that companies like Amsoil engage in. But without any figures, how do you know what you're getting?

My wife's Mazda 3 has had a steady diet of Mobil 1. The car is driven hard and has held up extremely well. 2007 with 83k miles. I was considering trying RP HPS in it as it's one of the only brands I never tried.
 
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