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Originally Posted By: Tdbo
Originally Posted By: skyactiv
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Apple has $181 billion overseas and will keep it there due to low taxes.... I don't blame them.


I thinks it's stupid we allow it. Earning profit VIA customers in the U.S. and funneling away the taxes to a foreign land. Greed is leading to the slow downfall of our country.


The stupidity of it all is that we have the highest corporate tax rates in the world and thus encourage keeping profit overseas.

A little higher mathematics: For example,(I am picking 20% as a random #:)

181B X .35 = $0 (because money is kept off shore)

181B X .20 = $36,200,000,000

36.2B solely dedicated to infrastructure fixes a lot of roads/bridges.
This country needs to be competitive with corporate tax rates. Might lead to additional government revenue and some additional jobs.

The next trick is to demand responsible government spending.


Exactly, we only have two American based auto makers now because of these tax rates.

FCA moved its HQ to London, because the UK, THE UK, of all places has a lower corporate tax rate.

If that is not a wake up call I don't know what else is needed.
 
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice


You're right, I have zero idea why many companies shelter their money overseas
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Tdbo,

http://www.attn.com/stories/366/60-minut...rally-crumbling



My comment was because what you wrote was incorrect in the reason for these overseas profits. You said that the money is made off of US consumers and funneled the taxes to foreign govt. This is not true. These are foreign profits made off of the sales in the foreign countries that the companies decide not to repatriate to the US for various reasons. They have nothing to do with US consumers. Maybe you just miswrote.

The reasons are not just tax related but also related to their future investment plans in the countries for which the profits are held. Of course if the tax was zero to transfer the money back to the US then there would be no barrier to repatriating the funds.
 
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
Originally Posted By: Tdbo
Originally Posted By: skyactiv
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Apple has $181 billion overseas and will keep it there due to low taxes.... I don't blame them.


I thinks it's stupid we allow it. Earning profit VIA customers in the U.S. and funneling away the taxes to a foreign land. Greed is leading to the slow downfall of our country.


The stupidity of it all is that we have the highest corporate tax rates in the world and thus encourage keeping profit overseas.

A little higher mathematics: For example,(I am picking 20% as a random #:)

181B X .35 = $0 (because money is kept off shore)

181B X .20 = $36,200,000,000

36.2B solely dedicated to infrastructure fixes a lot of roads/bridges.
This country needs to be competitive with corporate tax rates. Might lead to additional government revenue and some additional jobs.

The next trick is to demand responsible government spending.


Exactly, we only have two American based auto makers now because of these tax rates.

FCA moved its HQ to London, because the UK, THE UK, of all places has a lower corporate tax rate.

If that is not a wake up call I don't know what else is needed.



People in Washington that have a clue would be a great place to start.
 
It's not all independent sellers. Big companies like Apple, Samsung, Black & Decker, Cuisinart, etc. all sell their products on Amazon
 
Originally Posted By: Tdbo
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Tdbo,

Problem is our country is broke and doesn't have any money to fix infrastructure, but we spend billions every year supporting puppet governments overseas. Watch the video. Sad that our country is falling apart and no matter how much taxes we pay.... It gets squandered.


http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/falling-apart-americas-neglected-infrastructure/



I totally agree and without getting political, many are PO'd about it.
I think that frustration is starting to grow and show.
My point is that with a reasonable tax rate, 15-20% of 181B$'s could be dedicated to fixing infrastructure.
Instead, a group of incompetent, mouth breathing sloths have decided that 35% of zero is so much better, along with exterminating the potential for jobs that would result.
And this just refers to one company.
Insanity is simply doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.


The real problem is that even when the government has given certain companies massive tax breaks to repatriate overseas funds, they bring all of the money in, and still lay of thousands of people.

Not saying it applies to all corporations, but it's clear that some simply don't give a rat's rear about anything but bottom line. Enticing them to park their money in the US create jobs in any way is going to go absolutely nowhere. They're parking it offshore o of pure greed, and have no interest in doing anything to contribute to the economy or job market under any tax scenario.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/edsilverman/...a0b3e821c8661b1
 
Originally Posted By: Olds394
I've seen how Amazon "makes money" in person, and I no longer order from them. How you treat my brother is how you would treat me. Just my opinion....


I was going to reply something similar, though they have a convenience that is truly hard to beat.

I do still order from them, based purely on the standpoint of what they can do for me. Not a fan of their credit underwriter, though.
 
Originally Posted By: dishdude
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice

Some bozo playing golf in Hawaii says everything is sunshine and roses...


Thank you for respecting the no r/s/p rule.


Sorry it slipped. Maybe if the USA wasn't broke we could rebuild and Caterpillar not have to lay off 10,000 employees.

Back on topic:
Every company has accountants and tax attorneys skirting the laws to shelter money.
 
Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
Originally Posted By: Tdbo
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Tdbo,

Problem is our country is broke and doesn't have any money to fix infrastructure, but we spend billions every year supporting puppet governments overseas. Watch the video. Sad that our country is falling apart and no matter how much taxes we pay.... It gets squandered.


http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/falling-apart-americas-neglected-infrastructure/



I totally agree and without getting political, many are PO'd about it.
I think that frustration is starting to grow and show.
My point is that with a reasonable tax rate, 15-20% of 181B$'s could be dedicated to fixing infrastructure.
Instead, a group of incompetent, mouth breathing sloths have decided that 35% of zero is so much better, along with exterminating the potential for jobs that would result.
And this just refers to one company.
Insanity is simply doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.


The real problem is that even when the government has given certain companies massive tax breaks to repatriate overseas funds, they bring all of the money in, and still lay of thousands of people.

Not saying it applies to all corporations, but it's clear that some simply don't give a rat's rear about anything but bottom line. Enticing them to park their money in the US create jobs in any way is going to go absolutely nowhere. They're parking it offshore o of pure greed, and have no interest in doing anything to contribute to the economy or job market under any tax scenario.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/edsilverman/...a0b3e821c8661b1


The bottom line is that business needs to give a rats rear about the bottom line.
One reason is that if they don't, they won't be in business for long. Another reason is that if they don't, they will have a bunch of shareholders with a case of the red rump that will motivate, intervene, or redirect careers to promote a healthy bottom line.
Sure, not all business is civic minded. Frankly, the role of government is to extract as much revenue from business as possible through compulsory contribution. If government giveth, it is because they think that it will favorably influence the amount they taketh away.
Companies have to have somewhere to park their money off shore. Why are they selecting the locations they are? Because it is to their advantage to do so.
When you can get a better tax rate in the UK than you can in the US, something is wrong. It is called not being competitive.
There is very little chance of growing the economy if you have business relocating off shore. As I said in my previous post, 20% of something, is more than 35% of nothing.
Nothing is absolute, but its clear the current path isn't working.
 
Originally Posted By: Tdbo
Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
Originally Posted By: Tdbo
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Tdbo,

Problem is our country is broke and doesn't have any money to fix infrastructure, but we spend billions every year supporting puppet governments overseas. Watch the video. Sad that our country is falling apart and no matter how much taxes we pay.... It gets squandered.


http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/falling-apart-americas-neglected-infrastructure/



I totally agree and without getting political, many are PO'd about it.
I think that frustration is starting to grow and show.
My point is that with a reasonable tax rate, 15-20% of 181B$'s could be dedicated to fixing infrastructure.
Instead, a group of incompetent, mouth breathing sloths have decided that 35% of zero is so much better, along with exterminating the potential for jobs that would result.
And this just refers to one company.
Insanity is simply doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.


The real problem is that even when the government has given certain companies massive tax breaks to repatriate overseas funds, they bring all of the money in, and still lay of thousands of people.

Not saying it applies to all corporations, but it's clear that some simply don't give a rat's rear about anything but bottom line. Enticing them to park their money in the US create jobs in any way is going to go absolutely nowhere. They're parking it offshore o of pure greed, and have no interest in doing anything to contribute to the economy or job market under any tax scenario.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/edsilverman/...a0b3e821c8661b1


The bottom line is that business needs to give a rats rear about the bottom line.
One reason is that if they don't, they won't be in business for long. Another reason is that if they don't, they will have a bunch of shareholders with a case of the red rump that will motivate, intervene, or redirect careers to promote a healthy bottom line.
Sure, not all business is civic minded. Frankly, the role of government is to extract as much revenue from business as possible through compulsory contribution. If government giveth, it is because they think that it will favorably influence the amount they taketh away.
Companies have to have somewhere to park their money off shore. Why are they selecting the locations they are? Because it is to their advantage to do so.
When you can get a better tax rate in the UK than you can in the US, something is wrong. It is called not being competitive.
There is very little chance of growing the economy if you have business relocating off shore. As I said in my previous post, 20% of something, is more than 35% of nothing.
Nothing is absolute, but its clear the current path isn't working.


My only point was exactly what I said. Job creation is stifled considerably by greed, and there are a great deal of layoffs and job losses that obviously have nothing to do with the corporate tax rate in the US.

With regards to FCA parking itself in the UK? Who knows what kind of dirty deeds were involved in that arrangement?
 
Tdbo,

Your math is 100% correct.

Did you watch the 60 Minutes segment on crumbling bridges ?
On YouTube you can watch the entire segment.

I've always felt taxes should be spent here in the USA..... not on puppet foreign countries that hate us.
 
Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
Originally Posted By: Tdbo
Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
Originally Posted By: Tdbo
Mr Nice said:
Tdbo,




I totally agree and without getting political, many are PO'd about it.
I think that frustration is starting to grow and show.
My point is that with a reasonable tax rate, 15-20% of 181B$'s could be dedicated to fixing infrastructure.
Instead, a group of incompetent, mouth breathing sloths have decided that 35% of zero is so much better, along with exterminating the potential for jobs that would result.
And this just refers to one company.
Insanity is simply doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.


The real problem is that even when the government has given certain companies massive tax breaks to repatriate overseas funds, they bring all of the money in, and still lay of thousands of people.

Not saying it applies to all corporations, but it's clear that some simply don't give a rat's rear about anything but bottom line. Enticing them to park their money in the US create jobs in any way is going to go absolutely nowhere. They're parking it offshore o of pure greed, and have no interest in doing anything to contribute to the economy or job market under any tax scenario.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/edsilverman/...a0b3e821c8661b1


The bottom line is that business needs to give a rats rear about the bottom line.
One reason is that if they don't, they won't be in business for long. Another reason is that if they don't, they will have a bunch of shareholders with a case of the red rump that will motivate, intervene, or redirect careers to promote a healthy bottom line.
Sure, not all business is civic minded. Frankly, the role of government is to extract as much revenue from business as possible through compulsory contribution. If government giveth, it is because they think that it will favorably influence the amount they taketh away.
Companies have to have somewhere to park their money off shore. Why are they selecting the locations they are? Because it is to their advantage to do so.
When you can get a better tax rate in the UK than you can in the US, something is wrong. It is called not being competitive.
There is very little chance of growing the economy if you have business relocating off shore. As I said in my previous post, 20% of something, is more than 35% of nothing.
Nothing is absolute, but its clear the current path isn't working.


My only point was exactly what I said. Job creation is stifled considerably by greed, and there are a great deal of layoffs and job losses that obviously have nothing to do with the corporate tax rate in the US.

With regards to FCA parking itself in the UK? Who knows what kind of dirty deeds were involved in that arrangement?


Job creation is determined by the needs of the business.

If the demand is there for a good or service that a business produces, the demand is there for people to produce or fulfill that good or service.
The more that demand increases, generally, the more job opportunity increases.
Inversely, as demand decreases so do job opportunities.

Businesses are not charities, nor do they have the power of the printing press to print more money. They cannot haphazardly create jobs without the revenue stream to fund them. Nor will they be created if government confiscates profits through overly aggressive taxation. Contrary to popular belief, government does not tax business, they tax the consumer. Taxes are a cost of doing business, that is ultimately reflected in the cost to the consumer. If a good or service exceeds the threshold of what consumers will pay, they will look for less expensive options or will not purchase at all.

If government allows the free market to operate with minimal, reasonable intrusion (and I am not advocating giving them free reign to do whatever they want), good things can happen. The only constructive thing that government can do to create jobs in the private sector, is stay out of the way. The only jobs that governments create are short term by purchasing goods/services or permanently by creating huge, bloated bureaucracies.

Why are businesses moving offshore? Because it is in their long term best interest and longevity to do so. It is called competition. Some countries get that that they are better off setting a reasonable, competitive tax rate and generating business instead of imposing by the fiat of assertion an inflated tax rate and punitive business environment that dissuades growth and innovation. As much as I personally hate to say it, I can't blame them for going.

What needs to happen, is that the US government needs to explore best practices from an economic perspective world wide, implement the best, and become competitive on the world stage. The focus needs to be on growing, recruiting, and retaining business within the country instead of punishing it and milking it dry.
 
DoubleWasp,

You talk about job cuts and layoffs, read: www.Dailyjobcuts.com

Some bozo says everything is going great, unemployment rate is 5%....
meanwhile 6000 people people apply for a job at a newly built Walmart Supercenter
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Everything is just sunshine and roses out on the golf course at the country club...
 
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