Honda Giga Casting?

It is interesting, coming from bikes, cast parts are for walmart level bikes primarily. Now lots of parts are hot forged, and 3 dimensional forging can create very strong light parts very cheaply! But the parts are small and relatively simple.
I guess with cars being made to be more disposable, a chassis that is very expensive to repair may be only an issue for the first couple years of ownership as it will just be cheaper to write off after the car is more than 2-3 years old.
 
Honda 0 Saloon to the left looks like a Lamborghini in the front & Prius in the rear w/a weird radius /. Evolution doesn't have to look pretty after all. 😅
Honda 0 SUV to the right
Can't argue with investing modern manufacturing in the U.S.A.
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No, they drank the Idra kool aid, just like Tesla. Idra introduced the technology in 2018. 🇮🇹
Idra built the tool and coined the name "Giga Casting". Tesla bought the 1st one and put it into use. Other manufacturers are following suit. Ford, Hyundai, Toyota, Volvo, Polestar, Zeekr and Xiaomi are other companies that use or have plans to use giga presses.

BMW has considered their use but is not sure to what degree, in terms of size. Curiously, VW and MBZ already said they would also adopt large casting parts in their future vehicles.

Lotta Kool-Aid.
 
It looks like old elmo may have choked on his own kool aid. There are a lot of problems with tesla's castings that real car companies will avoid.

https://manufacturing-today.com/news/tesla-massive-gigacasting-u-turn/

https://www.reuters.com/business/au...gigacasting-manufacturing-process-2024-05-01/
That's not what either article says. Tesla is stopped the 1 piece underbody plans for the small car. The "Model 2" would have been the 1st car using a 1 piece underbody. They continue to use the casting process for the 3 piece assemblies.

From your 1st article:
"While gigacasting was a bold and innovative move, its retreat does not necessarily denote a setback. Instead, it reflects Tesla’s commitment to continuously optimizing its manufacturing strategies to ensure the highest standards of quality and efficiency. This strategic pivot could ultimately strengthen Tesla’s position by focusing on more viable and effective production methods.

As I listed, other companies are following Tesla's lead.
 
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Tesla is stopped the 1 piece underbody plans for the small car. The "Model 2" would have been the 1st car using a 1 piece underbody

Do you even read what you write? Tesla has had problems with big castings including cracks and porosity. I doubt other makers will build such huge castings. Tesla's position should be how do they stay in business when the dust settles.
 
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Do you even read what you write? Tesla has had problems with big castings including cracks and porosity. I doubt other makers will build such huge castings. Tesla's position should be how do they stay in business when the dust settles.
They are not building the "Model 2". That was the 1st vehicle slotted for the 1 piece casting.

But yes, Tesla has found problems with the casting process quality. High initial costs are another.
They made a decision to not continue to develop the 1 piece underbody casting, but Tesla and others are using or considering the giga casting use.

So no, Tesla did not choke on their Kool-Aid. They changed plans based on a number of things. As you said, quality and possibly feasibility were suspect. That's how development of a new process goes.

You are probably right about other companies trying to build 1 piece castings, at least until the results are acceptable. As far as we know only Tesla has done the early development and testing.
It is certainly fair to say Tesla has backed off from further developing the technology, and that that their current implementation of gigacasting is not as successful as initially anticipated. But that does not mean giga casting does not have a place nor does it mean giga casting is a failure.

I'm not sure what you mean by Tesla's position about staying in business.
 
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They are not building the "Model 2". That was the 1st vehicle slotted for the 1 piece casting.

But yes, Tesla has found problems with the casting process quality. High initial costs are another.
They made a decision to not continue to develop the 1 piece underbody casting, but Tesla and others are using or considering the giga casting use.

So no, Tesla did not choke on their Kool-Aid. They changed plans based on a number of things. As you said, quality and possibly feasibility were suspect. That's how development of a new process goes.

You are probably right about other companies trying to build 1 piece castings, at least until the results are acceptable. As far as we know only Tesla has done the early development and testing.
It is certainly fair to say Tesla has backed off from further developing the technology, and that that their current implementation of gigacasting is not as successful as initially anticipated. But that does not mean giga casting does not have a place nor does it mean giga casting is a failure.

I'm not sure what you mean by Tesla's position about staying in business.
The Berlin factory IMO will not remain open more than another couple of years and possibly other plants. Sales are plummeting so bad the President of Poland has called for a boycott of Tesla. The Berlin plant is robbing water from surrounding areas to the point of rationing for residents and other businesses, that along with his other antics are not going over well, that plant needs to be closed.
 
The Berlin factory IMO will not remain open more than another couple of years and possibly other plants. Sales are plummeting so bad the President of Poland has called for a boycott of Tesla. The Berlin plant is robbing water from surrounding areas to the point of rationing for residents and other businesses, that along with his other antics are not going over well, that plant needs to be closed.
Tesla's Giga Berlin expansion has been approved; the three-stage plan aims to double the plant's production capacity from 500,000 to one million vehicles per year.

Germany's vehicle manufacturing is a key component of their economy. Porsche, the legendary company, has lost sales in China (along with many other makes) and my fear is they will be in trouble in the US with the looming tariffs. China and the US are their biggest markets... Porsche raised prices but their sales slowdown has hurt margins; a big tariff will really hurt.
Did they can their CFO? If they did, I hardly think he is responsible for the current market.
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VW is undergoing a huge restructuring.
 
Face the fact that Tesla in Europe is going down the tubes, no matter how much you howl about it and push how great tesla and elmo are it is reality. Don't bother with talk about how other companies are doing most others are doing fine, the difference with Porsche is if the ev market dies and it is dying they can just produce gas engine cars again, tesla doesnt have a chance in the gas engine market simply because they are not and never were real car builders, (they are a tech company your words not mine). Sales of tesla in CA are down too.
Tesla sales in California have declined in 2024, with the company's market share in the state dropping to 52.5%. This is the fifth consecutive quarter of decline for Tesla in California
Tesla is seeing a decline in China and it will only get worse for them.

Tesla's Giga Berlin expansion has been approved; the three-stage plan aims to double the plant's production capacity from 500,000 to one million vehicles per year.
Who exactly is are they selling a million cars to? Since elmo started with his lunacy the Euro market is not looking good for tesla.
Believe whatever you want but elmo has taken a blow torch to tesla, removing him as CEO is probably the best thing.
 
Face the fact that Tesla in Europe is going down the tubes, no matter how much you howl about it and push how great tesla and elmo are it is reality. Don't bother with talk about how other companies are doing most others are doing fine, the difference with Porsche is if the ev market dies and it is dying they can just produce gas engine cars again, tesla doesnt have a chance in the gas engine market simply because they are not and never were real car builders, (they are a tech company your words not mine). Sales of tesla in CA are down too.

Tesla is seeing a decline in China and it will only get worse for them.


Who exactly is are they selling a million cars to? Since elmo started with his lunacy the Euro market is not looking good for tesla.
Believe whatever you want but elmo has taken a blow torch to tesla, removing him as CEO is probably the best thing.
All good @Trav. Interesting times ahead, not to mention challenges and tough decisions.
I will say that many seem to focus on short terms results; I am more of a 5 year, and more, plan and results person.

Time will tell; everything changes. All good.
 
Six large-scale, high-pressure "Gigacasting" presses have been installed by Honda of America at the Anna (Ohio) Engine Plant as a core manufacturing element of the EV Hub the automaker will launch later this year.

Honda's EV batteries will be enclosed in high-pressure diecast aluminum cases that will be gigacast on the new, 6,000-ton machines and will be the largest parts Honda has ever produced. Future Honda EVs are expected to incorporate gigacast front and rear vehicle structures, which is similar to Tesla’s breakthrough use of gigacastings in its electric vehicles.

Gigcasting refers to high-pressure diecasting operations developed to produce large-dimension parts that allow automakers to minimize subassembly for vehicle structures, saving production time and labor costs. Hundreds of individual parts, fasteners, welds, etc. are eliminated, along with weight savings, with highly accurate castings. Honda suggested that future gigacast parts could include body frames and internal-combustion or hybrid-electric engine components.

Numerous automakers are adopting gigacasting, including Tesla, Toyota, Honda NIO, Geely (and its brand Zeekr), and Xpeng.
Mercedes will utilize gigacasting, in its electric vehicle development, particularly for the EQXX concept. They are using it to create single-piece rear structures and other large components, aiming for lighter, stronger, and more efficient parts compared to traditional methods.
The EQXX boasts a range of over 620 miles (1,000 km) on a single charge. This impressive range is achieved through a combination of factors, including a highly efficient electric drivetrain, lightweight design, and optimized aerodynamics. Charge twice a month? Nice...
 
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