Honda and Nissan to Merge?

[rijndael]

If Ford didn't take bailout money in 2008 (TARP) what makes you think they're looking for it now?

 

[SC Maintenance]

If Ford didn't take bailout money in 2008 (TARP) what makes you think they're looking for it now?

In 2008 Ford levered up everything they owned and took on a massive amount of debt to restructure.

However they only sell 4.4M units a year, not even 1M more than Nissan. They now have $160B in debt. They wasted billions building on EV's no one really wanted. 0.5M of there sales is in China which will likely evaporate. There running out of credit line.

If interest rates stay low and they can keep selling F150's at crazy margins they can plod along. If anything changes there going to need a bail out from somewhere.

This is not an slam of Ford vehicles. When there stock collapsed in August I took a hard look at it and its juicy 6% dividend, and when I pealed back the onion layers I ran away. Note this is my opinion alone - NOT financial advice.

 

[cheesepuffs2]

Almost every dealer regardless of brand has sub prime lenders on their roster. That's how they sell their sub $10,000 vehicles.

Where are these sub $10,000 dealer vehicles you speak of?

 

[cheesepuffs2]

Also, of all the Japanese companies Nissan and Honda don't overlap as much as most think - both in vehicle types and also countries where they are strong.

How do they not overlap that much? Besides the Frontier and Titan, they serve the same customer base. Even Acura and Infiniti overlap.

 

[I<3oil]

You will end up with the same Nissan vehicles, except with a Honda nameplate.

That would severely water the brand Honda down hardcore.

 

[2strokeNorthstar]

Can anyone provide recent evidence of a successful automative merger that made both brand partners stronger without the weaker partner being a resource or financial distraction?

Toyota/Geo ??

 

[CKN]

Where are these sub $10,000 dealer vehicles you speak of?

They are called "used cars". Sorry if I wasn't clear.

 

[Patrick0525]

Toyota/Geo ??

It was more of a joint operation and Chevy was suppose to learn about Japanese kaizan. Toyota eventually took over the Chevy Fremont.

 

[CKN]

Make no mistakes, the Japanese government is pulling the strings behind the curtains.

 

[SC Maintenance]

How do they not overlap that much? Besides the Frontier and Titan, they serve the same customer base. Even Acura and Infiniti overlap.

Think outside the US. Or see my post #29. The three things you listed - Titan, Frontier, Infiniti are literally not even sold outside of North America.

Think bigger.

 

[JeffKeryk]

The Honda Nissan merger (more like buyout) is one of need; perhaps desperation.
No one is saying they want to merge.

 

[Nessism1]

The Honda Nissan merger (more like buyout) is one of need; perhaps desperation.
No one is saying they want to merge.

This post is very cryptic. Please clarify the meaning of this post.

 

[JeffKeryk]

This post is very cryptic. Please clarify the meaning of this post.

My point is, Honda believes they are falling behind in the current and future market as is Nissan. Apparantly some Nissan dealerships are reporting annual losses.

Perhaps read the attachment and my post #52.

 

[PhilloBeddow]

More details.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/dea...mid-ev-competition-nikkei-reports-2024-12-17/

Now what I am waiting for is for Toyota to buy the rest of Subaru that they dont already own.

Yay!! Flat fours for everyone !!

… and then I woke up and it was all a dream.

 

[gfh77665]

While I am not a big fan of either company, I don't think they are stupid. I believe they believe the synergies will work. Random people on the internet who just love shooting holes in anything and everything do not know as much as the companies do. Stay tuned. Lets see.

 

[Nessism1]

While I am not a big fan of either company, I don't think they are stupid. I believe they believe the synergies will work. Random people on the internet who just love shooting holes in anything and everything do not know as much as the companies do. Stay tuned. Lets see.

Agree! Executives of companies that sell 4 million cars per year ain't dumb.

 

[cheesepuffs2]

They are called "used cars". Sorry if I wasn't clear.

I know, that's still my point. In my region anyway, there literally are not sub $10,000 cars on OEM dealer lots, and hardly any even at small independent used car lots either. Sub $10,000 means Facebook Marketplace now/private sale.

 

[SC Maintenance]

I know, that's still my point. In my region anyway, there literally are not sub $10,000 cars on OEM dealer lots, and hardly any even at small independent used car lots either. Sub $10,000 means Facebook Marketplace now/private sale.

The local Toyota dealer here, which is part of a 15 dealer "group", shows 121 used vehicles under $10K. Its spread across the group, so that is what - 8 per?

 

[cheesepuffs2]

The local Toyota dealer here, which is part of a 15 dealer "group", shows 121 used vehicles under $10K. Its spread across the group, so that is what - 8 per?

I just checked the used inventory of two prominent dealer groups in my area. One group has two results under $10k. The other had zero.

 

[SC Maintenance]

I just checked the used inventory of two prominent dealer groups in my area. One group has two results under $10k. The other had zero.

Where is here?