Home Fuel Oil is Insane Right Now in NYS

[JHZR2]

Why wouldn’t you just contract or buy road fuel if it’s cheaper? Maybe the home heating folks have less favorable terms for delivered fuel, but you might check with folks who deliver on or off road fuel to other sites.

If gas hookup is viable, great. If it’s $3k, maybe it’s a good deal. You don’t expect trenching and piping to be free, do you?

 

[HankHill]

Definitely call around. In my area (Northern Connecticut) there can be more than a dollar difference between the low and high oil price. Right now prices range $4.29 - $4.99. I ordered 150 gallons recently to hold us over. One winter we had no money, I was buying diesel 10 gallons at a time. Good luck.

Yeah, I ran out in January, had to lug 5 gallons at a time from the station. Got frustrated and purchased another container so I could put in at least 10 gallons at a time. Had to lug it for a week. Now that I think about it if I had a truck it'd be super easy for me. I sincerely regret selling my truck.

 

[HankHill]

Why wouldn’t you just contract or buy road fuel if it’s cheaper? Maybe the home heating folks have less favorable terms for delivered fuel, but you might check with folks who deliver on or off road fuel to other sites.

If gas hookup is viable, great. If it’s $3k, maybe it’s a good deal. You don’t expect trenching and piping to be free, do you?

My neighbor was free, he was 130ft from the centerline of the road and he talked the contractor from ngrid to waive the fee. My neighbor also owns an electrical company, so I'm sure that helped him out.
I don't expect trenching and piping to be free, however I found out for sure they are responsible for main to house for 100ft, so if I had to only take care of an entrance and like 10 feet, I'd do it myself. Digging sucks, but I bet if I threw the guy running the excavator 50 bucks he'd accidently go to far.. Gotta keep those guys nice and happy.

 

[PandaBear]

Just wondering, if you are so far away the utility is not installing the line for you, will digging to install geothermal heat pump be cheaper in the long run than natural gas line and burn natural gas? Have you considered that?

 

[HankHill]

Just wondering, if you are so far away the utility is not installing the line for you, will digging to install geothermal heat pump be cheaper in the long run than natural gas line and burn natural gas? Have you considered that?

Neighbor has geothermal with the heater exchange technology from install in early 1980's. She keeps her house at about 60* and always wears sweaters, etc.. I'll have to strike up a convo with her about it, but her ex husband had it installed and dealt with all the technology for the house.

I do know we have incredibly deep shale here, and I think her son said it was down at least 280ft. Know what? I'm gonna call a company for a price..

At the end of the day, I'd love to have a wood stove installed. I grew up with one and I have a chimney that just needs to be lined (its condemned from internal cracks in the brick liners, non structural) I've heard lining a chimney can be done for about $1.2k.

Wow, oil, gas, to geothermal, to wood. We've gone around the block here!!

Anybody have experience with, or own a geothermal system?

 

[RhondaHonda]

Just FYI, I had a gas line bored to an addition from my pool heater approx 125’ and it was $3,000 using a private contractor. The NG company wouldn’t do it since I wasn’t adding another meter, just extending my already existing service. They did replace the meter with a larger one for no charge. If I agreed to have a 2nd meter they would’ve run a new service line but I passed as the base charge is like $28/month just to have the meter so in the long run the $3,000 is a savings.

My friend just got a quote for geothermal to replace 2 30 year old units in his 3,5000 sq foot house. Ready? …..$86,000! He passed on that and went conventional NG furnace and new AC.

 

[Rmay635703]

Says the guy who has no idea why NYS is in such peril. Blue state with draconian regulations on fuel and fuel delivery. He can't legally get it delivered.

I’m guessing my father didn’t get it legally delivered either.

Neighbor has geothermal with the heater exchange technology from install in early 1980's. She keeps her house at about 60* and always wears sweaters, etc.. I'll have to strike up a convo with her about it, but her ex husband had it installed and dealt with all the technology for the house.

I do know we have incredibly deep shale here, and I think her son said it was down at least 280ft. Know what? I'm gonna call a company for a price..

At the end of the day, I'd love to have a wood stove installed. I grew up with one and I have a chimney that just needs to be lined (its condemned from internal cracks in the brick liners, non structural) I've heard lining a chimney can be done for about $1.2k.

Wow, oil, gas, to geothermal, to wood. We've gone around the block here!!

Anybody have experience with, or own a geothermal system?

one of my farmer uncles with “increditably deep shale” has a natural “gas well” on his property heats and runs his equipment off it.

 

[PandaBear]

Just FYI, I had a gas line bored to an addition from my pool heater approx 125’ and it was $3,000 using a private contractor. The NG company wouldn’t do it since I wasn’t adding another meter, just extending my already existing service. They did replace the meter with a larger one for no charge. If I agreed to have a 2nd meter they would’ve run a new service line but I passed as the base charge is like $28/month just to have the meter so in the long run the $3,000 is a savings.

My friend just got a quote for geothermal to replace 2 30 year old units in his 3,5000 sq foot house. Ready? …..$86,000! He passed on that and went conventional NG furnace and new AC.

35000 sqft or 3500 sqft? Either way 86k can get you a lot of natural gas at 94% efficiency. Geothermal HVAC may get you 5x the efficiency per energy use but usually gas price is 1/2 to 1/5 as cheap, so financially speaking it is not much saving using HVAC in energy cost.

Come to think of it, if you use well water to warm up your "geothermal heat pump" then dump the well water into the field next to the pump, is it considered geothermal? Can someone retrofit a HVAC to inside the garage and just pump well water into the evaporator to warm it up, then discharge the water into the ground away from the foundation or another old well? That should be much cheaper than those geothermal bores right?

http://www.geojerry.com/aboutopenloop.html

 

[SwampSurvivor]

Answer, buy road diesel

That's what a friend of mine does ...

 

[Dave Hess]

You have to get contracted up off season...the max I can pay is $3.25 a gallon...worth it.

Of course those that talk big on here say fuel costs don't bother them...
They bother me because of the volume I use...so I feel your pain...

Sticker shock is the norm these days...

I thought that’s how people normally but it, off season.

 

[Zee09]

I thought that’s how people normally but it, off season.

I see many here buy as needed
A gamble. I have contracted before and got a mild soaking but feared the worst this year,

 

[Donald]

The natural gas line is run to my neighbors house, opposite corner of his property from mine.. Last time I asked for service some ****** quoted me like $3k for the hook up. I'm working with my neighbor (construction) to try and get the line extended over. The other neighbors and I are meeting about the subject after all of us call and get facts.. Wish me luck, I can convert my furnace from oil to gas with a new burner for only $380.. I'm very lucky in that aspect..

Heat pump. Natural gas is a temporary solution.

 

[Donald]

Called oil company today for an oil delivery, the price of home heating oil here is $5.49... Road diesel is ~$4.60, why is untaxed heating oil above the price of taxed road diesel? Is there any real reason we can think of?

My tank is at one quarter of a tank, which will cost me $1512.00 to fill my tank. ***

Find an oil company to give you a price guarantee if you guarantee to only buy from them. Or a pre pay.

My price guarantee for this past winter was $2.99.

 

[Donald]

Just FYI, I had a gas line bored to an addition from my pool heater approx 125’ and it was $3,000 using a private contractor. The NG company wouldn’t do it since I wasn’t adding another meter, just extending my already existing service. They did replace the meter with a larger one for no charge. If I agreed to have a 2nd meter they would’ve run a new service line but I passed as the base charge is like $28/month just to have the meter so in the long run the $3,000 is a savings.

My friend just got a quote for geothermal to replace 2 30 year old units in his 3,5000 sq foot house. Ready? …..$86,000! He passed on that and went conventional NG furnace and new AC.

Why not an air source heat pump? Depending on location. The air source are getting more efficient each year, so they can be installed farther up north as years go by.

 

[HankHill]

I’m guessing my father didn’t get it legally delivered either.

one of my farmer uncles with “increditably deep shale” has a natural “gas well” on his property heats and runs his equipment off it.

My neighbor has an orchard that borders my property on two sides, and on the others I border on her house property.. I'll have to ask where she gets her oil from, and ask her what she can do with the oil she purchases (ie, farm use as in tractor only or heating oil for bard, etc..).

I've always wanted an outside wood boiler for heat.. Town put a ban on them about 10 years ago, grandfathering all existing.

 

[PandaBear]

Why not an air source heat pump? Depending on location. The air source are getting more efficient each year, so they can be installed farther up north as years go by.

Does backup diesel / fuel oil + air source heat pump work in the same duct? or does he have to go mini-split heat pump?

 

[brianl703]

Does backup diesel / fuel oil + air source heat pump work in the same duct? or does he have to go mini-split heat pump?

Yes, it's called a dual fuel system.

 

[Gillsy]

Called oil company today for an oil delivery, the price of home heating oil here is $5.49... Road diesel is ~$4.60, why is untaxed heating oil above the price of taxed road diesel? Is there any real reason we can think of?

My tank is at one quarter of a tank, which will cost me $1512.00 to fill my tank. ***

 

[Gillsy]

Called oil company today for an oil delivery, the price of home heating oil here is $5.49... Road diesel is ~$4.60, why is untaxed heating oil above the price of taxed road diesel? Is there any real reason we can think of?

My tank is at one quarter of a tank, which will cost me $1512.00 to fill my tank. ***

Last fall I paid $3.59 for a 50/50 blend, and last month I paid 4.03 for the same blend. ***************

 

[IveBeenRued]

In my area, heating oil is $1+ per gallon over the going rate for off-road diesel. I just use my Jerry cans and make a couple of trips to the pump and run off-road diesel.

I live in VA so I only use about 45 gallons of diesel per year so it’s not that big of a pain.