This is a legitimate request. We don't speak much or highly of non detergent oils here at bitog, but when used correctly, ND oil is a quality product. I'm aware that Kendall, Warren, and Valvoline make high quality versions, and I'm wondering if there are some lesser known brands out there that stack up.
Highest Quality Non Detergent Oil
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Harbor Freight compressor oil is non detergent, I wouldn't be comfortable running it in an internal combustion engine. They need detergents
Only in the event of OCI's extended beyond 2,000 miles. Kendall, in the day of only non detergent oil, was touted as the "Two Thousand Mile Oil". That is where the brand's logo originated from.
The turbine oil in the 2 oz telescoping tip bottle is great for oiling motor bushings. compressor oil and hydraulic oils don't need detergents.Only in the last decade has my BIL stopped using 30 ND in his OPE. His stuff always ran better than mine.
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Hydraulic or compressor oils need non detergent to keep from foaming, and any dirt falls to bottom of crankcase, etc.
Some industrial transmissions call for 50weight motor oil which can take a higher temp, and thus need to be non detergent to stop foaming.
Some industrial transmissions call for 50weight motor oil which can take a higher temp, and thus need to be non detergent to stop foaming.
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This is a legitimate request. We don't speak much or highly of non detergent oils here at bitog, but when used correctly, ND oil is a quality product. I'm aware that Kendall, Warren, and Valvoline make high quality versions, and I'm wondering if there are some lesser known brands out there that stack up.
How do you use an ND oil "correctly" in a modern vehicle? Considering you posted this question in the PCMO section I'm assuming you mean using it in a motor vehicle.
One would think it could not be used correctly since all vehicle manufacturers specify a detergent oil. It would be difficult to correctly use an oil that meets no vehicle specifications in use.
This is a legitimate request. We don't speak much or highly of non detergent oils here at bitog, but when used correctly, ND oil is a quality product. I'm aware that Kendall, Warren, and Valvoline make high quality versions, and I'm wondering if there are some lesser known brands out there that stack up.
How do you use an ND oil "correctly" in a modern vehicle? Considering you posted this question in the PCMO section I'm assuming you mean using it in a motor vehicle.
One would think it could not be used correctly since all vehicle manufacturers specify a detergent oil. It would be difficult to correctly use an oil that meets no vehicle specifications in use.
Where does he say anything about using a non detergent oil in a vehicle?? I don't see that being specifically brought up here. Not trying to give you a hard time here. I'm just making an observation regarding this. Yes, this is under the pcmo section but he doesn't specify in vehicles.
Well... There is the answer. Good job kschachn. You always ask very good questions on here. Great job as usual
Well... There is the answer. Good job kschachn. You always ask very good questions on here. Great job as usual
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Ok, I keep reading that detergents can cause foaming in sealed pumps and transmissions. So, does that mean a non detergent oil is more foam resistant than detergent oil?
I ask all this because I've been encapsulated within the daydream of blending my own oil. My two biggest interest have been ND and castor. I've been thinking about blending a full castor classic racing oil or a 100% parrafin ND racing oil, with a decent dose of zinc and phosphorus. Either of these would be blended for vintage engines either for short OCI's or single competition use.
I ask all this because I've been encapsulated within the daydream of blending my own oil. My two biggest interest have been ND and castor. I've been thinking about blending a full castor classic racing oil or a 100% parrafin ND racing oil, with a decent dose of zinc and phosphorus. Either of these would be blended for vintage engines either for short OCI's or single competition use.
Back in the day (1960s) the 'non' detergent oil was, in fact,
slightly detergent anyway. An ace mechanic told me that.
Can't think of any use for it in an auto/truck/cycle of any kind.
My 2¢
slightly detergent anyway. An ace mechanic told me that.
Can't think of any use for it in an auto/truck/cycle of any kind.
My 2¢
Just the oil as of now. For competition only use, such as speedway events, drag racing, hillclimbs etc there is really no need for detergents. In a regular passenger car, two thousand miles is not infeasible a task for a high quality non detergent oil.
Could buy some bubblin crude from Uncle Jed and run that for short OCIs...
How about, Hi-Tec Oils in Australia.
They have a line of racing oils called SHP (super high performance) rated API SN
SHP 50 (20W50, 2200 ppm Zn, TBN = 7.65)
SHP 60 (25W60, 1500 ppm Zn, TBN = 7.62)
SHP 70 (25W70, 1500 ppm Zn, TBN = 7.62)
WRT foaming
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ARRESTS FOAM DEVELOPMENT. The rapid circulation of engine oil in racing engines quickly tends to promote undesirable foam formation. If not arrested, foam can quickly lead to engine seizure since the air/oil foam mixtures cannot sustain effective lubrication. Hi-Tec SHP Racing 60 is fortified with a combination of special foam inhibitors which eliminate foam development so that full-bodied lubrication is realised under arduous competition racing conditions.
They have a line of racing oils called SHP (super high performance) rated API SN
SHP 50 (20W50, 2200 ppm Zn, TBN = 7.65)
SHP 60 (25W60, 1500 ppm Zn, TBN = 7.62)
SHP 70 (25W70, 1500 ppm Zn, TBN = 7.62)
WRT foaming
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ARRESTS FOAM DEVELOPMENT. The rapid circulation of engine oil in racing engines quickly tends to promote undesirable foam formation. If not arrested, foam can quickly lead to engine seizure since the air/oil foam mixtures cannot sustain effective lubrication. Hi-Tec SHP Racing 60 is fortified with a combination of special foam inhibitors which eliminate foam development so that full-bodied lubrication is realised under arduous competition racing conditions.
Originally Posted By: Red91
This is a legitimate request. We don't speak much or highly of non detergent oils here at bitog, but when used correctly, ND oil is a quality product. I'm aware that Kendall, Warren, and Valvoline make high quality versions, and I'm wondering if there are some lesser known brands out there that stack up.
Most real race oils are non detergent. Look up Redline, Motul 300V, Amsoil etc.
This is a legitimate request. We don't speak much or highly of non detergent oils here at bitog, but when used correctly, ND oil is a quality product. I'm aware that Kendall, Warren, and Valvoline make high quality versions, and I'm wondering if there are some lesser known brands out there that stack up.
Most real race oils are non detergent. Look up Redline, Motul 300V, Amsoil etc.
Blender used to know how to pick cuts to give the product self detergency. That art is likely gone with the wind now. And a unblended GRPiii aint gonna be good.
Pennzoil ND30 has been available at my local Auto Zone when I've looked for it a couple of times. ND30 was spec'd for use in the gearbox of my '77 Vespa P200E scooter, and I ran a couple "loads" of it (the Vespa's wet clutch and transmission only holds 150ccs of oil) through the scooter's transmission while I was getting it back on the road after the PO's long storage. Vespa also used to spec ND30 as the injector oil for the scooter engine's auto-injection system, but no non-cheapskate vintage scooter owner does that anymore. The scooter's transmission shifts much more nicely with 150ccs Mobil 1 10w-40 cycle oil in it, and I don't think I'll need to regularly de-coke the scooter's cylinder head, as specified in the owner's manual, if I keep pouring Amsoil Interceptor, instead of ND30, into the auto-injection tank. With ND30, de-coking was a regularly-scheduled service task. No thanks.
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