Originally Posted By: CT8
Redline racing oil.
I agree. Redline racing oil is a proven commodity.
Redline racing oil.
I agree. Redline racing oil is a proven commodity.
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Highest Quality Non Detergent Oil
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Red91
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So I have to wonder, between these two options of interest, which is truly a better racing only oil; ND petroleum or castor. I know non detergent will last longer, but everything I've read has stated for ultimate high heat lubrication in short burst (such as competition), castor is optimal. Even better in those situations than full ester.
Penrite make a series of Heritage Oil for classic cars, including a non-detergent SAE 30 monograde with 1150 ppm Zinc.
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Penrite Heritage LTM is a premium mineral, Non-Detergent, monograde engine oils manufactured from high quality mineral base oils and containing anti-wear, anti-rust and tackiness additives. They have been specifically designed for use in vehicles built prior to 1920.
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http://www.penriteoil.com.au/products/heritage-ltm-sae-30-mineral
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Penrite Heritage LTM is a premium mineral, Non-Detergent, monograde engine oils manufactured from high quality mineral base oils and containing anti-wear, anti-rust and tackiness additives. They have been specifically designed for use in vehicles built prior to 1920.
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http://www.penriteoil.com.au/products/heritage-ltm-sae-30-mineral
Originally Posted By: SR5
Penrite make a series of Heritage Oil for classic cars, including a non-detergent SAE 30 monograde with 1150 ppm Zinc.
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Penrite Heritage LTM is a premium mineral, Non-Detergent, monograde engine oils manufactured from high quality mineral base oils and containing anti-wear, anti-rust and tackiness additives. They have been specifically designed for use in vehicles built prior to 1920.
That's something I've never understood, the use of "old" oils in old engines. I mean, there's nothing about that engine that would dictate the use of an ND oil, would it? It's just that that's what they had back then, surely a modern oil with detergents isn't going to be detrimental to the engine, is it?
Penrite make a series of Heritage Oil for classic cars, including a non-detergent SAE 30 monograde with 1150 ppm Zinc.
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Penrite Heritage LTM is a premium mineral, Non-Detergent, monograde engine oils manufactured from high quality mineral base oils and containing anti-wear, anti-rust and tackiness additives. They have been specifically designed for use in vehicles built prior to 1920.
That's something I've never understood, the use of "old" oils in old engines. I mean, there's nothing about that engine that would dictate the use of an ND oil, would it? It's just that that's what they had back then, surely a modern oil with detergents isn't going to be detrimental to the engine, is it?
Red91
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I found a Bardahl product earlier called Classic Bardahl, and is similar to what Penrite is marketing, except it's API SB and is for use in cars up until 1950.
Same as the Penrite, it's add pack is antiwear, anti rust, anti corrosion, and non detergent. I believe its available as monograde 30, 40, and 50.
Same as the Penrite, it's add pack is antiwear, anti rust, anti corrosion, and non detergent. I believe its available as monograde 30, 40, and 50.
Red91
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Essentially it comes down to preference. Some people are die hards, and want everything about the car to be period correct, even down to the fluids. There is nothing wrong with that considering they're going to service these fluids same as back in the day. They obviously have a sizable market, or they wouldn't be able to sell what is basically compressor pump oil for a premium price.
Originally Posted By: Red91
Essentially it comes down to preference. Some people are die hards, and want everything about the car to be period correct, even down to the fluids. There is nothing wrong with that considering they're going to service these fluids same as back in the day. They obviously have a sizable market, or they wouldn't be able to sell what is basically compressor pump oil for a premium price.
I think Red91 hit the nail on the head, because some want to be as period correct as possible, like people who enjoy shooting black powder in their SAA Colts.
Penrite does say:
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-Contains modern additives to provide corrosion protection (when vehicle not in use)
-Improved water resistance (results of primitive water pump design leaking water into sump)
-Tacky additive provides increased storage protection
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Heritage LTM typical oil change intervals should not exceed 500 miles / 800 km or yearly, whichever comes first.
Essentially it comes down to preference. Some people are die hards, and want everything about the car to be period correct, even down to the fluids. There is nothing wrong with that considering they're going to service these fluids same as back in the day. They obviously have a sizable market, or they wouldn't be able to sell what is basically compressor pump oil for a premium price.
I think Red91 hit the nail on the head, because some want to be as period correct as possible, like people who enjoy shooting black powder in their SAA Colts.
Penrite does say:
Quote:
-Contains modern additives to provide corrosion protection (when vehicle not in use)
-Improved water resistance (results of primitive water pump design leaking water into sump)
-Tacky additive provides increased storage protection
And
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Heritage LTM typical oil change intervals should not exceed 500 miles / 800 km or yearly, whichever comes first.
Originally Posted By: Red91
Essentially it comes down to preference. Some people are die hards, and want everything about the car to be period correct, even down to the fluids. There is nothing wrong with that considering they're going to service these fluids same as back in the day. They obviously have a sizable market, or they wouldn't be able to sell what is basically compressor pump oil for a premium price.
OK, I get that and thanks for the reply. I just wondered if there was a technical reason I wasn't understanding.
Essentially it comes down to preference. Some people are die hards, and want everything about the car to be period correct, even down to the fluids. There is nothing wrong with that considering they're going to service these fluids same as back in the day. They obviously have a sizable market, or they wouldn't be able to sell what is basically compressor pump oil for a premium price.
OK, I get that and thanks for the reply. I just wondered if there was a technical reason I wasn't understanding.
Then for all practical purposes it is a modern oil without detergents?
Originally Posted By: SR5
I think Red91 hit the nail on the head, because some want to be as period correct as possible, like people who enjoy shooting black powder in their SAA Colts.
Penrite does say:
Quote:
-Contains modern additives to provide corrosion protection (when vehicle not in use)
-Improved water resistance (results of primitive water pump design leaking water into sump)
-Tacky additive provides increased storage protection
And
Quote:
Heritage LTM typical oil change intervals should not exceed 500 miles / 800 km or yearly, whichever comes first.
Originally Posted By: SR5
I think Red91 hit the nail on the head, because some want to be as period correct as possible, like people who enjoy shooting black powder in their SAA Colts.
Penrite does say:
Quote:
-Contains modern additives to provide corrosion protection (when vehicle not in use)
-Improved water resistance (results of primitive water pump design leaking water into sump)
-Tacky additive provides increased storage protection
And
Quote:
Heritage LTM typical oil change intervals should not exceed 500 miles / 800 km or yearly, whichever comes first.
Yeah, a modern version of an old style oil, I assume.
It has stuff like ZDDP in it, and I don't think that was commonly used on the 20's.
It has stuff like ZDDP in it, and I don't think that was commonly used on the 20's.
Red91
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The Bardahl site claims modern detergent oils can do harm in these engines without an oil filter due do the detergent oils holding contaminants in suspension, whereas the non detergent oil let's them settle out of suspension.
I can't say I agree with that statement...nonetheless I don't doubt these heritage oils are good products for the intended service intervals.
I can't say I agree with that statement...nonetheless I don't doubt these heritage oils are good products for the intended service intervals.
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