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Got an email notification the sample has arrived and was processed in the lab. These numbers look really promising!
90% Highway, 10% City driving, 100 miles per day, fairly hard spirited driving during the oil service. Used 2 cans of BG 44K in 2 full fills of my gas tank during this oil service duration and the base number is reading very high as if it didn't dent at all. Product data sheet says the oil has a Base number of >13.5 . Looking forward to see how the oil turns up at 10,000 miles.
Oil was sampled directly from the clean side of the oil filter: https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/media/albums/fram-titanium-fs3600-5603-miles-hpl-pc5w30-q.67/
Filter used was a FRAM FS3600, the car OE size calls for a tiny YZZN1 / FS4967, so the oil capacity was increased from 3.9 to 4.5 quarts
90% Highway, 10% City driving, 100 miles per day, fairly hard spirited driving during the oil service. Used 2 cans of BG 44K in 2 full fills of my gas tank during this oil service duration and the base number is reading very high as if it didn't dent at all. Product data sheet says the oil has a Base number of >13.5 . Looking forward to see how the oil turns up at 10,000 miles.
Oil was sampled directly from the clean side of the oil filter: https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/media/albums/fram-titanium-fs3600-5603-miles-hpl-pc5w30-q.67/
Filter used was a FRAM FS3600, the car OE size calls for a tiny YZZN1 / FS4967, so the oil capacity was increased from 3.9 to 4.5 quarts
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i saw someone post a HPL Fuel System Cleaner. I don't see it on their website though. Is this a new product not for sale yet?
BrendanC
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can’t be shipped economically due to the chemical composition
Those are perfect driving conditions, that engine should last forever. 10K should be a walk in the park for that oil under those conditions.
I just realized why I may have "felt" a difference. When I was running the Total oil before...I would have moments of LSPI. To the point where I switched to running premium fuel to help with that. Since switching to HPL I have gone back to regular fuel and I have not heard the LSPI at all yet. I know Toyota (and most modern cars) likes to run right on the edge of detonation, perhaps it was pulling some timing because of all that. Now its not having the LSPI so it maybe the timing was restored. WOT power and feel are unchanged, this is all part throttle low rpm stuff that where the difference is.
Weird, the car burns 0 oil. Its also normal port injected. Why did I have LSPI to begin with? I also run a catch can.
Same engine in my other car I had no difference in feel and never had LSPI issues before or after oils.
Call me crazy lol
Weird, the car burns 0 oil. Its also normal port injected. Why did I have LSPI to begin with? I also run a catch can.
Same engine in my other car I had no difference in feel and never had LSPI issues before or after oils.
Call me crazy lol
Sounds more like "pinging" to me. LSPI is a problem in some small TURBOCHARGED engines with Direct Injection...none of yours listed are such, are they? LSPI tends to be very violent, not just a slight knock.
Re: "pulling some timing", many people think "timing" is the only thing being adjusted to compensate for pinging...however, richening the fuel mixture is a common adjustment by the control system, as that serves to cool the combustion chamber so premature ignition is less likely.
Realize that there is only ONE POINT in the piston travel at a given throttle opening, workload, and RPM where the spark can occur at an ideal time. This is another way to say: "advancing timing" only helps up to that point AND NO MORE...so using a higher and higher Octane that exceeds the rating needed to avoid pre-mature ignition doesn't help. Also, "pulling timing" makes the resultant ignition event less than ideal so power is lost....however the combustion chamber temp may drop which can help the subsequent compression phase less likely to have a premature ignition event (ping).
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I always thought LSPI was almost always catastrophic as well. Doubt you could run an engine long with constant LSPI.
You could do a dyno run to see if the oil makes a difference in your vehicle. Use New oil in first runs, with oil of your choice, change oil and filter to another oil. Run both 3 xs, same temps.
Flame on..
On a thread note, I am going to do the HPL EC30. How many miles before you need to dump it and put new oil in?
Flame on..
On a thread note, I am going to do the HPL EC30. How many miles before you need to dump it and put new oil in?
I am confused, isnt the HPL EC30 a cleaner? If the regular oil has more cleaning power, why get the EC30
BrendanC
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to not overwhelm the oil filter
Because the EC30 is a bit more gentle...in case you have a real problem in your engine cleanliness. Cleaning too suddenly is, by definition, too fast...it can overwhelm the filtering system.
BrendanC beat me to the answer!
Okay, so ensure you are watching it and have a great filter.
BrendanC
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in theory this would work yes, but as seen in my C&P’s of my high mileage 6.0L LQ4 LS motor, 3k miles with the EC40 in the sump resulted in a pretty loaded filter.
The EC30 cleaned so quickly on our 2000 Volvo V70 that I’d be reluctant to start with straight HPL.
I prefer slow cleaning by using EC30 or EC40.
Picture shown after running 5 quarts M1 0W40, 1 quart EC30 for 5,000 miles.
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I wont get to a 1000 miles before I need to add oil anyways.. My engine uses oil, as it was built that way unfortunately.
Long story short, it is a 396LT1 (1995) and hte company that built these built them with loose ring gaps and lower tension rings. I replaced the low tension oil rings, which made a difference.. But it still uses a quart every 800-1000 miles. So, I will watch it and add oil anyways till oil change at 3 k miles. I just need to do the math and make sure it has EC30 at the correct % while its in there.
Long story short, it is a 396LT1 (1995) and hte company that built these built them with loose ring gaps and lower tension rings. I replaced the low tension oil rings, which made a difference.. But it still uses a quart every 800-1000 miles. So, I will watch it and add oil anyways till oil change at 3 k miles. I just need to do the math and make sure it has EC30 at the correct % while its in there.
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