High Performance Lubricants No VII series engine oils.

[ZeeOSix]

Now on the aliens are real thing... just give me a shake or a nod. Us Midwestern folk have seen enough to not even be surprised. Seen one once, figured it was gonna abduct someone, realized wasnt me and drove to QT for fuel and Copenhagen

Maybe if you got abducted, they'd give you the secret formula to make a 5W-20 with a KV100 of 7.95 cSt and a HTHS of 3.53 cP. Could ask them if they know Newton(ian).

 

[Jetronic]

it has been brought up in the past. the number published is correct.

No, it hasn't even been checked. "if it's there, it must be correct" was the answer.

 

[Jetronic]

The magnesium & moly levels are both major mitigators of the LSPI boogeyman. I use the Euro No VII in my tuned 3.5 EcoBoost making over 500rwhp with zero issues for 40k miles now…

Magnesium doesn't quench LSPI, it just doesn't add to it.

 

[Jetronic]

I don’t have insider info. I was told it was something they wouldn’t discuss in public. That’s not insider info, it’s called a trade secret. That’s the MO of literally every oil company so not sure why you’re making something out of nothing.

I don't want to know HOW they did it, I just question they did it.

 

[Jetronic]

Well, say for example they use some mPAO as a VM - that could still be labeled no VII …

and that increases the viscosity index, which should be obvious.

 

[53' Stude]

I don’t have insider info. I was told it was something they wouldn’t discuss in public. That’s not insider info, it’s called a trade secret. That’s the MO of literally every oil company so not sure why you’re making something out of nothing.

Don’t worry Chris; he always Does

 

[travis8352]

I don’t have insider info. I was told it was something they wouldn’t discuss in public. That’s not insider info, it’s called a trade secret. That’s the MO of literally every oil company so not sure why you’re making something out of nothing.

I think its because Dave and HPL are so open here that when there is something they wont disclose, now its REALLY special!!! Lol of course i understand this though and appreciate their efforts

 

[ZeeOSix]

I did some calculations on the No VII oils shown in post 611 (LINK). I assumed them to be Newtonian due to no VII, and the calculated HTHS was within 0.02 cP for all but the Euro 5W-20. Per the spec sheet, the Euro 5W-20 is acting better than an ideal Newtonian oil. Summary below.

Euro 5W-20: Spec sheet 3.267 cP HTHS, calculated 2.752 cP - delta 0.515 cP (out of bed with the other no VII oils)

Euro 5W-30: Spec sheet 3.566 cP HTHS, calculated 3.584 cP - delta 0.018 cP.

PCMO 5W-20: Spec sheet 2.771 cP HTHS, calculated 2.751 cP - delta 0.020 cP.

PCMO 5W-30: Spec sheet 3.399 cP HTHS, calculated 3.384 cP - delta 0.015 cP.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

I did some calculations on the No VII oils shown in post 611 (LINK). I assumed them to be Newtonian due to no VII, and the calculated HTHS was within 0.02 cP for all but the Euro 5W-20. Per the spec sheet, the Euro 5W-20 is acting better than an ideal Newtonian oil. Summary below.

Euro 5W-20: Spec sheet 3.267 cP HTHS, calculated 2.752 cP - delta 0.515 cP (out of bed with the other no VII oils)

Euro 5W-30: Spec sheet 3.566 cP HTHS, calculated 3.584 cP - delta 0.018 cP.

PCMO 5W-20: Spec sheet 2.771 cP HTHS, calculated 2.751 cP - delta 0.020 cP.

PCMO 5W-30: Spec sheet 3.399 cP HTHS, calculated 3.384 cP - delta 0.015 cP.

So, please translate for us not fluid in Newtonian-speak (pun intended!)

 

[ZeeOSix]

So, please translate for us not fluid in Newtonian-speak (pun intended!)

Calculated what the dynamic viscosity would be if there was no change in viscosity that would be seen at 1M/sec shear thinning during the HTHS test. Three of the 4 No VII oil's HTHS came out almost the same as the spec sheet HTHS viscosity, but the Euro 5W-20 didn't. It acted better than a Newtonian oil would, which seems physically impossible.

 

[EllieMae94]

I still think it’s a typo. Has it been confirmed publicly on this forum or elsewhere by HPL that’s it’s correct? I haven’t seen it, but maybe I overlooked it?

 

[Hohn]

Maybe if you got abducted, they'd give you the secret formula to make a 5W-20 with a KV100 of 7.95 cSt and a HTHS of 3.53 cP. Could ask them if they know Newton(ian).

Secret ingredient: corn starch!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Newtonian_fluid#Oobleck

 

[High Performance Lubricants]

Calculated what the dynamic viscosity would be if there was no change in viscosity that would be seen at 1M/sec shear thinning during the HTHS test. Three of the 4 No VII oil's HTHS came out almost the same as the spec sheet HTHS viscosity, but the Euro 5W-20 didn't. It acted better than a Newtonian oil would, which seems physically impossible.

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We blended these and measured each one of them. The results are exactly what the instrument reported. I can always re run that oil to see if the instrument had a bad day. That has yet to happen but it’s not impossible. We do not publish calculated numbers. We publish what we measure.

David

 

[RDY4WAR]

See: Pressure-viscosity coefficient.

 

[HPL Plant Manager]

Back in August 2024, someone on this forum raised a question about the same HTHS value, and it was determined that I had made a typo on the original data sheet. I corrected it at the time, updating the HTHS for the Euro 5W-20 No VII to the measured/accurate value of 2.760 cP. (Confirmed again today on the HTHS instrument's data log)

As you can see, I didn’t manage to update every version of the sheet across the web, which has led to continued confusion. I’ve now gone through and replaced all available versions on our website(s) with the corrected data sheet and cleared the caches to ensure the updated version is being served properly.

If you happen to come across an outdated version still floating around somewhere, please let me know so I can get it replaced.

Apologies for the mix-up, and hats off to those of you who spotted the discrepancy and correctly identified it as a typo – you were absolutely right!

 

[ZeeOSix]

We blended these and measured each one of them. The results are exactly what the instrument reported. I can always re run that oil to see if the instrument had a bad day. That has yet to happen but it’s not impossible. We do not publish calculated numbers. We publish what we measure.

David

I wasn't claiming that "calculated numbers" were published, just that the calculations for the 4 oils showed the HTHS viscosity for the Euro 5W-20 No VII was way out of bed with the other 3. Now that it's been reported to be correct at 2.760 cP, it comes within 0.008 cP to the calculated value of 2.752 cP.

 

[4WD]

Redline claims a 3.1 with 5W20

 

[buster]

Redline claims a 3.1 with 5W20

Same with Ams Dominator 5w20.

 

[Hohn]

Thank you for posting the update, HPL comes through again.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Redline claims a 3.1 with 5W20

For a 5W-20 to have 3.1 HTHS viscosity, it would need to be super shear resistant at 1M/sec shear rate (or a no VII), and need to have a very high viscosity index (around 190) and a KV100 of just a hair below the 9.3 cSt max for a 20 grade.