High Performance Lubricants No VII series engine oils.

[RDY4WAR]

That's great that the consumption slowed. There was likely some ring coking that the high ester content of HPL cleaned up.

I recommend against the BG EPR. The HPL oil is a better cleaner already. You just run the risk of additive clash.

 

[Patrick0525]

Update on our consumption issue with our 2018 Audi Q7 (3.0):

Switched to HPL Euro to help solve/slow down our oil consumption issue.

As other people stated on BITOG, consumption slowed down drastically as mileage accrued. First 1250, it seemed like it was burning oil like before, this second half of 1250, it has slowed down a lot. Currently 2500 miles in and have little less than half oil level reading. In other words, at this point, last year the oil level warning would have come up by now. So looking at a 50% improvement so far!

Still planning on changing the oil out in another 500 miles and opening the filter to see if i can see any deposits. May do an BG EPR at the same time.

Was this HPL Euro 5w-30 with VII ?

 

[Oodee]

That's great that the consumption slowed. There was likely some ring coking that the high ester content of HPL cleaned up.

I recommend against the BG EPR. The HPL oil is a better cleaner already. You just run the risk of additive clash.

Yeah I was figuring piston rings as well. Good to know on the EPR! I appreciate it! One less thing to do haha

Was this HPL Euro 5w-30 with VII ?

Yup!

 

[Patrick0525]

Yup!

I also am using HPL 5w-30 Euro with VII. So far 8k on my Toyota 2GR-FE 10k OCI.

 

[FlyingTexan]

I recommend against the BG EPR. The HPL oil is a better cleaner already. You just run the risk of additive clash.

You’re only running it in a warmed up engine for 15minutes then draining. Let it clash all it wants so long as it does its job. My 2500HD with 6.0 got two cans of it the other day and it looks new inside at 227k miles.

 

[Hohn]

@High Performance Lubricants can the data sheets for VII get updated to reflect the 10w-40 that is shown to be available for purchase? Or have these blends not been finalized?

For some of us with high-dilution applications, that 10w-40 could be a great frequent-warm-but-short-trip oil for known fuel diluters (like my Honda).

 

[Hohn]

Did we ever get confirmation on the 5w-20 Euro viscometrics being correct? The HTHS is such an outlier even with the HPL line with no other 20 grade being over 3.0, I have a suspicion that it’s a typo because it sounds too good to be true.

Can anyone confirm?

 

[BrendanC]

Did we ever get confirmation on the 5w-20 Euro viscometrics being correct? The HTHS is such an outlier even with the HPL line with no other 20 grade being over 3.0, I have a suspicion that it’s a typo because it sounds too good to be true.

Can anyone confirm?

it has been brought up in the past. the number published is correct.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

Did we ever get confirmation on the 5w-20 Euro viscometrics being correct? The HTHS is such an outlier even with the HPL line with no other 20 grade being over 3.0, I have a suspicion that it’s a typo because it sounds too good to be true.

Can anyone confirm?

@HPL Plant Manager confirmed the tests were run and the posted results are correct.

@Hohn, you’re assuming it’s too good to be true because you’re used to buying products developed to meet a specific price point, not products developed to be the best available.

 

[Revving2Redline]

So you changed out some dirty old Amsoil fluid with fresh. Now all of a sudden you are back to 0 miles on the odometer. Running like a Swiss watch.

What would the factory recommended fluid do for you?

Factory fluid would have been unperforming and overcharging with a side of disappointment in the driving experience. Using a boutique cvt fluid is the one time I can honestly say it feels like a different animal.. In a good way.

 

[ZeeOSix]

These are all No VII HPL motor oils - following is from the spec sheet info.

Curious why the HTHS viscosity difference between the 5W-20 Euro is ~0.5 cP higher than the 5W-20 PCMO, but the 5W-30 Euro is only ~0.17 cP higher than the 5W-30 PCMO? What's special and different with the Euro 5W-20?

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

These are all No VII HPL motor oils - following is from the spec sheet info.

Curious why the HTHS viscosity difference between the 5W-20 Euro is ~0.5 cP higher than the 5W-20 PCMO, but the 5W-30 Euro is only ~0.17 cP higher than the 5W-30 PCMO? What's special and different with the Euro 5W-20?

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I think I remember asking Dave & getting this answered, but IIRC this is one of those few special cases where HPL has a unique base oil they don’t want disclosed publicly. Maybe @RDY4WAR or @HPL Plant Manager can confirm my memory.

I think one of the hints here is that the 5w20 is actually thicker than the 5w30 in the CCS test…

 

[ZeeOSix]

I think one of the hints here is that the 5w20 is actually thicker than the 5w30 in the CCS test…

But look at the KV100 spread between the 5W-20 Euro vs both the 5W-30 Euro and 5W-30 PCMO. So there's something special going on with the 5W-20 Euro in the HTHS department when 50C is added along with a 1M/sec shear rate.

 

[Hohn]

@HPL Plant Manager confirmed the tests were run and the posted results are correct.

@Hohn, you’re assuming it’s too good to be true because you’re used to buying products developed to meet a specific price point, not products developed to be the best available.

No, I'm assuming it's too good to be true by comparing it to literally every other 20 grade HPL makes. But I appreciate the confirmation that the Euro is indeed some special sauce.

 

[Hohn]

I think I remember asking Dave & getting this answered, but IIRC this is one of those few special cases where HPL has a unique base oil they don’t want disclosed publicly. Maybe @RDY4WAR or @HPL Plant Manager can confirm my memory.

I think one of the hints here is that the 5w20 is actually thicker than the 5w30 in the CCS test…

Right, but the 5w20 PCMO is thicker still in CCS than the 5w20 Euro, yet there's a massive advantage in HTHS for the Euro.

 

[Astro14]

Right, but the 5w20 PCMO is thicker still in CCS than the 5w20 Euro, yet there's a massive advantage in HTHS for the Euro.

And? not all oils follow the same curve, the same relationship, between cold and hot performance.

The PCMO and Euro have different additive packages, including different VII, so, the curve looks different between them.

Not a surprise, really.

 

[Hohn]

And? not all oils follow the same curve, the same relationship, between cold and hot performance.

The PCMO and Euro have different additive packages, including different VII, so, the curve looks different between them.

Not a surprise, really.

Well, we're comparing just the no VII oils in this case. You don't think it's valid to compare no VII oils to each other within grade and in adjacent grades? The point of my post #614 was that the Euro 5w-20 was an outlier within all HPL 20 grades.

But if you look at just the no-VII series it's an outlier even within those. A massive disparity between Euro and PCMO add pack formulations that simple add pack differences would not explain. There must be a base oil difference. Presumably the base oil difference is needed/allowed by the higher treat rate of the Euro add packs.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

There must be a base oil difference. Presumably the base oil difference is needed/allowed by the higher treat rate of the Euro add packs.

That’s what I was saying… this is one of Dave’s special combos provided by Dr. Rudnick; one I’m not at liberty to disclose even if I remembered the exact details and one that won’t be shared publicly even if they do confirm. The thing to remember though is HPL has delivered, as promised, on every other bespoke request the board has asked for. Some things in life will just always remain a mystery

 

[Hohn]

Thanks for confirming. I guess it's obvious which oil my non-GDI cars are getting!

I wish I could run it in my TGDI Accord but I'm concerned about the high Calcium levels and potential LSPI, so I'll need to stick with a PCMO add pack in the VII series for that car.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

Thanks for confirming. I guess it's obvious which oil my non-GDI cars are getting!

I wish I could run it in my TGDI Accord but I'm concerned about the high Calcium levels and potential LSPI, so I'll need to stick with a PCMO add pack in the VII series for that car.

The magnesium & moly levels are both major mitigators of the LSPI boogeyman. I use the Euro No VII in my tuned 3.5 EcoBoost making over 500rwhp with zero issues for 40k miles now…