Only boutique oils I use is RL drivetrain fluids. Gear oils and ATF
High Performance Lubricants No VII series engine oils.
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Buster says the 0w30 RL is built tough and probably RL's best offering.
I trust 94.762% of what Buster says here.
But I'm sure his percentages are even higher than that for HPL. That's a brand where even their least expensive, entry-level HPL oil label is better than anything on Walmart's oil shelves today.
I trust 94.762% of what Buster says here.
But I'm sure his percentages are even higher than that for HPL. That's a brand where even their least expensive, entry-level HPL oil label is better than anything on Walmart's oil shelves today.
But that's not what we see on intake valves. There might be "some" in it, but the ash is white to light grey in colour while the buildup is definitely carbon based: partly burned hydrocarbons....
NOACK please
Not gonna happen many many post on subject as to why not.
I’m exploring using the No VII 5W-30 for longer drains(7-10K) in two Lexus models - one is a regular port injected V8(3UZ-FE) and a port/direct injected V6(2GR-FXS). There’s no more gig work for one, and they are mostly driven by my parents in their 70s. Would the No VII oil be OK for a hybrid V6?
The rest of the family fleet will be getting Walmart swill.
The rest of the family fleet will be getting Walmart swill.
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it no doubt will, but if you contact dave directly i’m more than positive he will reccomend their regular PCEO 5w-30 for 7-10k miles. we run their 5w-30 to 12k miles in industrial service with stellar results.
As discussed in nearly every thread you’ve posted this question in, Noack isn’t a very accurate or repeatable test. It’s easily skewed and is therefore essentially worthless.
TGA is both repeatable & reproducible, and that’s why HPL uses it instead.
The entire industry uses Noack.. If it wasn’t reliable, why is it widely used as a standard? This other process has no equivalent Noack value ? so nothing to compare to. Convenient
You fanboys must have stock in HPL
You fanboys must have stock in HPL
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Please provide us with some data to back your claim.
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Exactly! He has no idea what he is talking about obviously.
TGA is more accurate (I believe) than Noack. Noack has some repeatability issues, but usually an average number is taken. What Noack doesn't do is correlate to oil consumption despite that being pushed for years. They are modifying the Noack test as a result and I think changing the temperature of the Noack test a bit to better reflect oil consumption in service.
HPL should have low Noack/volatility across the board.
HPL should have low Noack/volatility across the board.
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https://resources.perkinelmer.com/l...NoackTestforAssessmentEngineOilVolatility.pdf
"The standard test for assessing oil volatility has been the Noack and gas chromatographic techniques. The Noack test conditions are recognized as being more representative of those experienced by oils in engines during operation.
The Noack volatility of an oil is defined as the weight loss of the oil when it is held under isothermal conditions at 250 ˚C for a period of 1 hour under a constant flow of air. This test does expose the oil to relatively high temperatures and to air and simulates or approximates the conditions in the area around the top piston rings of engines. It is believed that the majority of the emissions are a result of exposure of the oil to the piston ring region.
While the Noack test does provide valuable information on oil volatilities, there are concerns about the test due to health or safety reasons. These stem around the fact that the Noack test utilizes a metal alloy, for heat transfer purposes, comprised of lead, bismuth, tin and cadmium, the vapors of which are toxic. The Noack test is also imprecise, labor intensive and time consuming to conduct. All of these factors contribute to the need for the development of a safer, less time consuming test to assess oil volatility."
*SNIP*
The TGA Noack test provides a fast, sensitive, safe and reproducible means of assessing the volatilities of engine oils. The TGA test correlates very well with the traditional Noack and gas chromatography (GC) test, while providing enhanced sample throughput and precision. The test is conducted by holding a bulk quantity of the oil at 249 ˚C under isothermal conditions for 30 minutes with an air purge. The higher volatility oils will generate a larger mass loss after the Noack reference time at 249 ˚C. The PerkinElmer Pyris 1 TGA or TGA 7 provides a sensitive, easy to use instrument for the TGA Noack test.
As someone who has visited both the HPL and the RL factories, and scrutinized the elements of both brands, I would say I strongly favor HPL.
There is no populist fan boy thinking here, just smart motor oil choices, with millions of miles of personally accrued driving.
NOACK on HPL vs RL oils would be similar, if it were to be ostensibly considered a determining factor.
I am surprised that the owner of a new M3 is not more thorough in knowledge base and commentary re motor oil.
After all, it is a short drive from Indianapolis to Manteno, in order to vet.
HPL had their PCMO No VII 10W-20 sent out for Noack just for S&G. It was 3.4%. The reason we don't get uptight about Noack with HPL is because the test is surpassed to the point of irrelevance. Knowing the base oils and additive packages they use, the oil is not going to be volatile. All of them will fall in the 3-8% range.
This circles back to the API license discussion. When HPL's own standard is magnitudes better than API, why waste the time and money on testing to API's mediocre standards?
This circles back to the API license discussion. When HPL's own standard is magnitudes better than API, why waste the time and money on testing to API's mediocre standards?
What a strange obsession with one parameter of an oil. Fanboy or not their lowest end oils wipe the floor with anything off-the-shelf.
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kschachn, you better switch bcs of mediocre results …
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lol, only on BITOG will you see people driving to the oil manufacturer to make sure it's up to their standards.
cool that that's possible though (that that..english, ugh)
It’s more than that for a lot of us here though. It’s the curiosity of the chemistry, engineering, oil blending facilities, etc. when I tell people oil and lubricants are a hobby I get some strange looks! Hell, I’d drive out from Washington state to see HPL’s setup!
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i'd do the same!
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