15W-40 is written in a modern owner's manual?
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That is general climatology.... Does not mean but so much really at the end of the day....
If one looked at my area climatology it would be not indicative of what can and does happen here regularly as well... For example... Here in this area avg high temp in January is 46°F with a low temp average of 28°F. But.... In many instances throughout the winter we get 1-2 standard deviations below normal for both those temperatures. Of course the reverse is quite true as well. This past February we got to near 80°F. 3 standard deviations above normal. And yes we have been 3 standard deviations below normal. Like in early March 2014 with temperatures -34° below average for that day.
Again... In Ashe county NC, Haywood county NC or even say Smyth county in Virginia the average high temperature is certainly a bit lower than here in eastern Virginia has is the low temperature lower as well. If here in eastern Virginia our high temperature this past January was 24° with a low temp of 6°F... I can just about guarantee it was indeed colder out that way.
Low temperature in the teens in southeast Va are common in a high majority of winters... Now.. overnight lows below 0°F are no where near as common. That is a fact. But low temperatures in the teens are rather common here. If it is the upper teens here on southeast Va then it is almost always colder in Southwest Virginia at the same time. Which climatologically speaking is rather similar to say Haywood county in Western NC. Only time this is not the case.... When there is a low pressure center moving west of Western Virginia and at the same exact time there's a cold High pressure center building down the East coast.... Aka cold damming event. Then... It is warmer in say Bristol Tennessee then it is in say Richmond Virginia.
If one looked at my area climatology it would be not indicative of what can and does happen here regularly as well... For example... Here in this area avg high temp in January is 46°F with a low temp average of 28°F. But.... In many instances throughout the winter we get 1-2 standard deviations below normal for both those temperatures. Of course the reverse is quite true as well. This past February we got to near 80°F. 3 standard deviations above normal. And yes we have been 3 standard deviations below normal. Like in early March 2014 with temperatures -34° below average for that day.
Again... In Ashe county NC, Haywood county NC or even say Smyth county in Virginia the average high temperature is certainly a bit lower than here in eastern Virginia has is the low temperature lower as well. If here in eastern Virginia our high temperature this past January was 24° with a low temp of 6°F... I can just about guarantee it was indeed colder out that way.
Low temperature in the teens in southeast Va are common in a high majority of winters... Now.. overnight lows below 0°F are no where near as common. That is a fact. But low temperatures in the teens are rather common here. If it is the upper teens here on southeast Va then it is almost always colder in Southwest Virginia at the same time. Which climatologically speaking is rather similar to say Haywood county in Western NC. Only time this is not the case.... When there is a low pressure center moving west of Western Virginia and at the same exact time there's a cold High pressure center building down the East coast.... Aka cold damming event. Then... It is warmer in say Bristol Tennessee then it is in say Richmond Virginia.
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At the end of the day I think you live in a great area.. I have gone on vacation out that way 3 times. Asheville twice and Cruso at Cold mountain as well. That area and Southwest Virginia are my favorite areas to go on vacation too. If I didn't like where I was at I would like to move out to either southwest Virginia or Western NC. You have a really great place put that way.
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5/30 or 10/30 winter only. Anything /40 summer
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Originally Posted By: Nick1994
This or any dexos1 Gen2 5W-30
This or any dexos1 Gen2 5W-30
Originally Posted By: bbhero
That is general climatology.... Does not mean but so much really at the end of the day....
If one looked at my area climatology it would be not indicative of what can and does happen here regularly as well... For example... Here in this area avg high temp in January is 46°F with a low temp average of 28°F. But.... In many instances throughout the winter we get 1-2 standard deviations below normal for both those temperatures. Of course the reverse is quite true as well. This past February we got to near 80°F. 3 standard deviations above normal. And yes we have been 3 standard deviations below normal. Like in early March 2014 with temperatures -34° below average for that day.
Again... In Ashe county NC, Haywood county NC or even say Smyth county in Virginia the average high temperature is certainly a bit lower than here in eastern Virginia has is the low temperature lower as well. If here in eastern Virginia our high temperature this past January was 24° with a low temp of 6°F... I can just about guarantee it was indeed colder out that way.
Low temperature in the teens in southeast Va are common in a high majority of winters... Now.. overnight lows below 0°F are no where near as common. That is a fact. But low temperatures in the teens are rather common here. If it is the upper teens here on southeast Va then it is almost always colder in Southwest Virginia at the same time. Which climatologically speaking is rather similar to say Haywood county in Western NC. Only time this is not the case.... When there is a low pressure center moving west of Western Virginia and at the same exact time there's a cold High pressure center building down the East coast.... Aka cold damming event. Then... It is warmer in say Bristol Tennessee then it is in say Richmond Virginia.
I would submit that the climate in Bryson City is more like the climate in Martinsville or Danville....two areas in the Piedmont of VA on the NC border. Yes you can get lows in the teens and in the single digits but not often. Lows in the 20's with highs in the 40's is the Jan/Feb norm here. Having said that this past January and March were not good but February was pleasant. The one thing I have noticed in TN and NC is I-40 almost seems like a dividing line....except for the mountains in East TN and Western NC.....north of I-40 the snow starts to increase and south of I-40 it decreases. Not always the case but it seems to be especially true when we see snow early in the winter such as in December or when we see snow late in the year, such as March.
That is general climatology.... Does not mean but so much really at the end of the day....
If one looked at my area climatology it would be not indicative of what can and does happen here regularly as well... For example... Here in this area avg high temp in January is 46°F with a low temp average of 28°F. But.... In many instances throughout the winter we get 1-2 standard deviations below normal for both those temperatures. Of course the reverse is quite true as well. This past February we got to near 80°F. 3 standard deviations above normal. And yes we have been 3 standard deviations below normal. Like in early March 2014 with temperatures -34° below average for that day.
Again... In Ashe county NC, Haywood county NC or even say Smyth county in Virginia the average high temperature is certainly a bit lower than here in eastern Virginia has is the low temperature lower as well. If here in eastern Virginia our high temperature this past January was 24° with a low temp of 6°F... I can just about guarantee it was indeed colder out that way.
Low temperature in the teens in southeast Va are common in a high majority of winters... Now.. overnight lows below 0°F are no where near as common. That is a fact. But low temperatures in the teens are rather common here. If it is the upper teens here on southeast Va then it is almost always colder in Southwest Virginia at the same time. Which climatologically speaking is rather similar to say Haywood county in Western NC. Only time this is not the case.... When there is a low pressure center moving west of Western Virginia and at the same exact time there's a cold High pressure center building down the East coast.... Aka cold damming event. Then... It is warmer in say Bristol Tennessee then it is in say Richmond Virginia.
I would submit that the climate in Bryson City is more like the climate in Martinsville or Danville....two areas in the Piedmont of VA on the NC border. Yes you can get lows in the teens and in the single digits but not often. Lows in the 20's with highs in the 40's is the Jan/Feb norm here. Having said that this past January and March were not good but February was pleasant. The one thing I have noticed in TN and NC is I-40 almost seems like a dividing line....except for the mountains in East TN and Western NC.....north of I-40 the snow starts to increase and south of I-40 it decreases. Not always the case but it seems to be especially true when we see snow early in the winter such as in December or when we see snow late in the year, such as March.
Originally Posted By: Gokhan
Since you live in a mild climate, Pennzoil Platinum 10W-30 (with thicker base oil) will offer more chain- and other boundary-wear protection than 5W-30 in a TGDI while still certified for SN Plus (LSPI protection).
You can even go with the $10 a jug Delvac 15W-40 but without LSPI certification.
It would be great if SN Plus ends up opening up grades like 10W30 to having some assurance of LSPI protection...dexos1 Gen 2 only covers 0W20-5W30 while dexos2 takes us up to 5W40, but includes no 10WXX oils. I see that Pennzoil is planning to have SN Plus 10W30s (wonderful!), until they actually show up with that certification on the bottle I would suggest that the OPer stick with a dexos1 Gen 2 5W30 or a dexos2 5W40 (the latter seems to be hard to find in US stores).
http://www.pennzoil.com/en_us/education/know-your-oil/what-you-need-to-know-about-api-sn-plus.html
Since you live in a mild climate, Pennzoil Platinum 10W-30 (with thicker base oil) will offer more chain- and other boundary-wear protection than 5W-30 in a TGDI while still certified for SN Plus (LSPI protection).
You can even go with the $10 a jug Delvac 15W-40 but without LSPI certification.
It would be great if SN Plus ends up opening up grades like 10W30 to having some assurance of LSPI protection...dexos1 Gen 2 only covers 0W20-5W30 while dexos2 takes us up to 5W40, but includes no 10WXX oils. I see that Pennzoil is planning to have SN Plus 10W30s (wonderful!), until they actually show up with that certification on the bottle I would suggest that the OPer stick with a dexos1 Gen 2 5W30 or a dexos2 5W40 (the latter seems to be hard to find in US stores).
http://www.pennzoil.com/en_us/education/know-your-oil/what-you-need-to-know-about-api-sn-plus.html
Looks to me if the temperature is above 20 F, you can run 20w50, you can run 15w40, or you can run 5w30. This is probably the closest to the truth that I have seen. Doesn’t matter. Run pretty much what ever you want.
However, it might be useful to see if your vehicle comes with an oil cooler, either built into the rad or seperate. If it does you might want to go with the higher vis during the summer, since the efficiency of the cooler will be lower in the summer when ambient temperatures are higher. Make sense to you?
However, it might be useful to see if your vehicle comes with an oil cooler, either built into the rad or seperate. If it does you might want to go with the higher vis during the summer, since the efficiency of the cooler will be lower in the summer when ambient temperatures are higher. Make sense to you?
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Pretty easy to decide 5W-30 and 10W-30 are the most abundant oils you find on sale.
I'd give 20w50 a shot for fun ...
The OP owners manual is probably one the most honest, uncorrupted I have ever seen. It has not been bribed/sponsored by any individual oil company or defiled by CAFE like organizations local to ones government for a specific agenda. It gives temperatures and corresponding usable oil weights for specific purposes (fuel economy or hgier temperature applications) that I dare say would be safe to use in any modern automobile today.
The only other one I have seen like this was the manual provided to Australian Corolla owners back in 2009.
Bravo!
The only other one I have seen like this was the manual provided to Australian Corolla owners back in 2009.
Bravo!
Originally Posted By: Alex_V
If it wasn't DI I'd say 5w30, but considering the fuel system I'm gonna say 10w. Fuel economy loss should be negligible compared to the potential for better protection in the face of fuel dilution.
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Base oil is usually tied to the xW grade. The higher the better if facing fuel dilution.
If it wasn't DI I'd say 5w30, but considering the fuel system I'm gonna say 10w. Fuel economy loss should be negligible compared to the potential for better protection in the face of fuel dilution.
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Base oil is usually tied to the xW grade. The higher the better if facing fuel dilution.
Just put in the $10 a jug Delvac 15W-40 CK-4/SN and forget about it. Its oxidation limit (Volvo T-13 base-oil-quality test) is far more stricter than the tests for A5/B5 and A3/B4 oils, even though it's probably Group II. It will work just fine if not better.
I do agree with the interstate 40 dividing line. That can and does certainly happen at times.
And for the record.. I memorized the road system in this country by the age of 9 years old. I know how to get to Martinsville practically blind folded. I can name the 100 counties in Virginia off the top of my head. I know how to get across this country without needing a map, phone app, anything.. Trust me when I left home at 18 my family knew one thing for certain... I would not get lost.
Well I will say again...... The past number of winters it has been really cold at times with low temps in the the teens here in an area which is warmer than say Martinsville, Danville, and or Lynchburg etc... Whether it was January 2014 or February 2014, or February 2015, after the big winter storm in 2016, after the winter storm in 2017, or in December 2017 through January 2018. Some of those examples are longer duration events and some are shorter in duration such as January 2016 or 2017. But in many of those times it was in the teens overnight here... And there were a number of days where the high temperature here was barely above 20°F.... With low temps at times below zero... In fact in the past 4 winters I have seen temperatures below zero far far more often than at any other time I have witnessed before. Times before below zero I had seen was Christmas 1983, January 1985, December 1989, January 1994, January 2000, and the next time after that was all the way until 2010 in January.
Yet in the past 4 winters our area has seen temps below zero several times. It has been unusual seeing it get that cold as often has it has happened here. And if it has been that cold here.... It been likely colder in areas west of where I am at. This past January the second snowstorm where that area got hit with a large area of 9-12 inches of snow (my are got 3 inches) .... With a clear sky and no wind.... I bet it got below zero in a number of places.
And for the record.. I memorized the road system in this country by the age of 9 years old. I know how to get to Martinsville practically blind folded. I can name the 100 counties in Virginia off the top of my head. I know how to get across this country without needing a map, phone app, anything.. Trust me when I left home at 18 my family knew one thing for certain... I would not get lost.
Well I will say again...... The past number of winters it has been really cold at times with low temps in the the teens here in an area which is warmer than say Martinsville, Danville, and or Lynchburg etc... Whether it was January 2014 or February 2014, or February 2015, after the big winter storm in 2016, after the winter storm in 2017, or in December 2017 through January 2018. Some of those examples are longer duration events and some are shorter in duration such as January 2016 or 2017. But in many of those times it was in the teens overnight here... And there were a number of days where the high temperature here was barely above 20°F.... With low temps at times below zero... In fact in the past 4 winters I have seen temperatures below zero far far more often than at any other time I have witnessed before. Times before below zero I had seen was Christmas 1983, January 1985, December 1989, January 1994, January 2000, and the next time after that was all the way until 2010 in January.
Yet in the past 4 winters our area has seen temps below zero several times. It has been unusual seeing it get that cold as often has it has happened here. And if it has been that cold here.... It been likely colder in areas west of where I am at. This past January the second snowstorm where that area got hit with a large area of 9-12 inches of snow (my are got 3 inches) .... With a clear sky and no wind.... I bet it got below zero in a number of places.
If you look at the winter weather this year every state in the country saw snow at some point and I actually think that it was on the same day.
If I'm not mistaken, the Tidewater area saw as much or more snow over the entire winter than far southwest VA did. That is not normal. This winter was abnormal IMO, as there were record lows and record low high temperatures in many areas farther south than VA. I remember seeing that Jackson, MS had a high temperature of 14 degrees one day. Many locations across the country, to include cities in Florida, SC, VA, NC, MS, and lots of the midwest broke records for cold this past winter.
BTW, there are only 95 counties in VA, not 100.
Just picking at you bit here. At one time way back in 1982 or so I had to memorize them for a high school VA Government class.
If I'm not mistaken, the Tidewater area saw as much or more snow over the entire winter than far southwest VA did. That is not normal. This winter was abnormal IMO, as there were record lows and record low high temperatures in many areas farther south than VA. I remember seeing that Jackson, MS had a high temperature of 14 degrees one day. Many locations across the country, to include cities in Florida, SC, VA, NC, MS, and lots of the midwest broke records for cold this past winter.
BTW, there are only 95 counties in VA, not 100.
Originally Posted By: Smokescreen
The OP owners manual is probably one the most honest, uncorrupted I have ever seen. It has not been bribed/sponsored by any individual oil company or defiled by CAFE like organizations local to ones government for a specific agenda. It gives temperatures and corresponding usable oil weights for specific purposes (fuel economy or hgier temperature applications) that I dare say would be safe to use in any modern automobile today.
The only other one I have seen like this was the manual provided to Australian Corolla owners back in 2009.
Bravo!
+1
Physics doesn't change, under similar physical parameters.
The OP owners manual is probably one the most honest, uncorrupted I have ever seen. It has not been bribed/sponsored by any individual oil company or defiled by CAFE like organizations local to ones government for a specific agenda. It gives temperatures and corresponding usable oil weights for specific purposes (fuel economy or hgier temperature applications) that I dare say would be safe to use in any modern automobile today.
The only other one I have seen like this was the manual provided to Australian Corolla owners back in 2009.
Bravo!
+1
Physics doesn't change, under similar physical parameters.
Well about less than 0.00005% of the people in this state of Virginia know all the counties
Ask them where Highland county is and they would have zero clue. Or where Craig, Lee, Whythe, Wise, or Faquier counties are..
Actually southwest Virginia had more snow than southeast Va... The winter storms in March changed that late.. West of the ridge in that one storm 12-16 inches fell in Radford, Christiansburg, Whytheville, Bland. West on Rte 58 above the ridge it went up dramatically due to elevation rise. 2500-2800 feet of base elevation meant colder temps leading to far heavier snow totals for that area... Martinsville had 5-6 inches at 1000 feet of elevation from that same storm. Then the other storms in March that area had more snow than our area. My area had 12 inches. Chesapeake has about 18 inches. The big coastal storm Chesapeake had 10-12 inches alone. My area had 7 inches from that coastal storm. So... At the end of winter.... Hopefully it is over... Though I'm starting to wonder... Southwestern Virginia eventually passed my area for snow totals. Though it took big snow storm in March to actually do that. Strange fact as well is that southeast Va did have a lot more snow than northern Virginia through February. That is very unusual.
I would have loved to been at Primland off of route 58 during that big March snow storm. West of Lovers leap and at 3000 plus feet that would have been an incredible view from that location.
Having said all that.... You and me are less than 2 dozen people who actually know where to find Highland county at on a map of Virginia. Strange people we are
Ask them where Highland county is and they would have zero clue. Or where Craig, Lee, Whythe, Wise, or Faquier counties are..
Actually southwest Virginia had more snow than southeast Va... The winter storms in March changed that late.. West of the ridge in that one storm 12-16 inches fell in Radford, Christiansburg, Whytheville, Bland. West on Rte 58 above the ridge it went up dramatically due to elevation rise. 2500-2800 feet of base elevation meant colder temps leading to far heavier snow totals for that area... Martinsville had 5-6 inches at 1000 feet of elevation from that same storm. Then the other storms in March that area had more snow than our area. My area had 12 inches. Chesapeake has about 18 inches. The big coastal storm Chesapeake had 10-12 inches alone. My area had 7 inches from that coastal storm. So... At the end of winter.... Hopefully it is over... Though I'm starting to wonder... Southwestern Virginia eventually passed my area for snow totals. Though it took big snow storm in March to actually do that. Strange fact as well is that southeast Va did have a lot more snow than northern Virginia through February. That is very unusual.
I would have loved to been at Primland off of route 58 during that big March snow storm. West of Lovers leap and at 3000 plus feet that would have been an incredible view from that location.
Having said all that.... You and me are less than 2 dozen people who actually know where to find Highland county at on a map of Virginia. Strange people we are
Originally Posted By: klt1986
If you look at the winter weather this year every state in the country saw snow at some point and I actually think that it was on the same day.
If I'm not mistaken, the Tidewater area saw as much or more snow over the entire winter than far southwest VA did. That is not normal. This winter was abnormal IMO, as there were record lows and record low high temperatures in many areas farther south than VA. I remember seeing that Jackson, MS had a high temperature of 14 degrees one day. Many locations across the country, to include cities in Florida, SC, VA, NC, MS, and lots of the midwest broke records for cold this past winter.
BTW, there are only 95 counties in VA, not 100.
Just picking at you bit here. At one time way back in 1982 or so I had to memorize them for a high school VA Government class.
To the original poster...I wanted to apologize for hijacking your thread. I was going to edit my post above but I waited too long, so that is why I'm quoting myself.
Nice to see an owners manual that actually makes sense.
If you look at the winter weather this year every state in the country saw snow at some point and I actually think that it was on the same day.
If I'm not mistaken, the Tidewater area saw as much or more snow over the entire winter than far southwest VA did. That is not normal. This winter was abnormal IMO, as there were record lows and record low high temperatures in many areas farther south than VA. I remember seeing that Jackson, MS had a high temperature of 14 degrees one day. Many locations across the country, to include cities in Florida, SC, VA, NC, MS, and lots of the midwest broke records for cold this past winter.
BTW, there are only 95 counties in VA, not 100.
To the original poster...I wanted to apologize for hijacking your thread. I was going to edit my post above but I waited too long, so that is why I'm quoting myself.
Nice to see an owners manual that actually makes sense.
Originally Posted By: bbhero
Well about less than 0.00005% of the people in this state of Virginia know all the counties
Ask them where Highland county is and they would have zero clue. Or where Craig, Lee, Whythe, Wise, or Faquier counties are..
Actually southwest Virginia had more snow than southeast Va... The winter storms in March changed that late.. West of the ridge in that one storm 12-16 inches fell in Radford, Christiansburg, Whytheville, Bland. West on Rte 58 above the ridge it went up dramatically due to elevation rise. 2500-2800 feet of base elevation meant colder temps leading to far heavier snow totals for that area... Martinsville had 5-6 inches at 1000 feet of elevation from that same storm. Then the other storms in March that area had more snow than our area. My area had 12 inches. Chesapeake has about 18 inches. The big coastal storm Chesapeake had 10-12 inches alone. My area had 7 inches from that coastal storm. So... At the end of winter.... Hopefully it is over... Though I'm starting to wonder... Southwestern Virginia eventually passed my area for snow totals. Though it took big snow storm in March to actually do that. Strange fact as well is that southeast Va did have a lot more snow than northern Virginia through February. That is very unusual.
I would have loved to been at Primland off of route 58 during that big March snow storm. West of Lovers leap and at 3000 plus feet that would have been an incredible view from that location.
Having said all that.... You and me are less than 2 dozen people who actually know where to find Highland county at on a map of Virginia. Strange people we are
Looking down to Kibler Valley, Ararat, & Mt Pilot, NC from Primland would have been a sight for sure.
Speaking of Highland County, I met the sheriff several years ago. Don't remember his name but I want to say he was a former Army Ranger or Marine. When first elected, there were times he would patrol the entire county by himself to give his deputies time off. Was a good down to earth fella!
Well about less than 0.00005% of the people in this state of Virginia know all the counties
Ask them where Highland county is and they would have zero clue. Or where Craig, Lee, Whythe, Wise, or Faquier counties are..
Actually southwest Virginia had more snow than southeast Va... The winter storms in March changed that late.. West of the ridge in that one storm 12-16 inches fell in Radford, Christiansburg, Whytheville, Bland. West on Rte 58 above the ridge it went up dramatically due to elevation rise. 2500-2800 feet of base elevation meant colder temps leading to far heavier snow totals for that area... Martinsville had 5-6 inches at 1000 feet of elevation from that same storm. Then the other storms in March that area had more snow than our area. My area had 12 inches. Chesapeake has about 18 inches. The big coastal storm Chesapeake had 10-12 inches alone. My area had 7 inches from that coastal storm. So... At the end of winter.... Hopefully it is over... Though I'm starting to wonder... Southwestern Virginia eventually passed my area for snow totals. Though it took big snow storm in March to actually do that. Strange fact as well is that southeast Va did have a lot more snow than northern Virginia through February. That is very unusual.
I would have loved to been at Primland off of route 58 during that big March snow storm. West of Lovers leap and at 3000 plus feet that would have been an incredible view from that location.
Having said all that.... You and me are less than 2 dozen people who actually know where to find Highland county at on a map of Virginia. Strange people we are
Looking down to Kibler Valley, Ararat, & Mt Pilot, NC from Primland would have been a sight for sure.
Speaking of Highland County, I met the sheriff several years ago. Don't remember his name but I want to say he was a former Army Ranger or Marine. When first elected, there were times he would patrol the entire county by himself to give his deputies time off. Was a good down to earth fella!
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