no one buys regular cabs any more.
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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Who pays retail for a pickup? Certainly not us.
One time we got a new p/u with 200 miles that had TWO pages of window sticker, it listed just short of 50k.
We got it for about half that, drove it 160k miles and sold it for the mid teens!
Very cost effective in a biz where you depreciate the vehicle...
Yeah, but how many vehicles do you buy per year?
Who pays retail for a pickup? Certainly not us.
One time we got a new p/u with 200 miles that had TWO pages of window sticker, it listed just short of 50k.
We got it for about half that, drove it 160k miles and sold it for the mid teens!
Very cost effective in a biz where you depreciate the vehicle...
Yeah, but how many vehicles do you buy per year?
Originally Posted By: FXjohn
no one buys regular cabs any more.
Plenty of people, in particular fleet buyers, buy regular cabs.
There are just a disproportionate number of crew cabs now because crew cab pickups are the new minivan.
no one buys regular cabs any more.
Plenty of people, in particular fleet buyers, buy regular cabs.
There are just a disproportionate number of crew cabs now because crew cab pickups are the new minivan.
I admit I'm a Chevy/GM guy, but I give Ford credit for pushing the envelope on this one. 700 pounds lighter is incredible. Living in the rust belt, I like the aluminum over steel for the corrosion protection alone. If they can put stainless steel brake/fuel lines on them, people could just laugh at the salt they drive on instead of cringing like me. I still like Saturn's idea of plastic exterior body parts over steel framework. I wish trucks were built like that. This one might be a game changer on the aluminum alone. The 2.7 liter EcoBoost doesn't have me interested though. That's not alot bigger than my old Camry 4 banger?
This will be long-winded. Please skip if you don't care....
To get somewhat back on topic: I'm torn, a bit apprehensive and excited. I'm a Ford fan at heart. Unfortunately I see this going the way of so many new Ford vehicles in the recent past. Let me explain.....
I'll use the 2005 Mustang as an example (get to the 5.4 in a minute...)
Water leak. Anyone remember that? There was a design flaw with the early 2005-2009 body style Mustang that caused water to leak INSIDE the car, ultimately destroying the smart junction box under the passenger's side dash while filling the floor with water. Ford blamed the problem on clogged rubber boot "drains" under the cowl. This told everyone to never let a leaf or some pine straw get on your car. Not covered under warranty. Apparently cleaning out cowl drains every weekend became routine maintenance. Low and behold it was discovered that a firewall grommet lacked an adequate seal from the factory. Too bad, there's a TSB blaming it on the drains, but we will seal that grommet while we're in there, but that's at your expense.
Keeping with the Mustang....the spark plugs are STUCK in the motor on the 3V V8. Ford says "spray with brake cleaner, let sit and remove with engine cold. Wait, that's not working? Spray with brake cleaner and remove with engine warm. Wait, that's not working? Replace with one piece spark plugs but make sure everyone gets a $1000 tuneup because the plugs are good for 100k miles."
Still with the Mustang...you can't fill it with gas because it keeps tripping the fuel nozzle. Ford goes around and around about the filler neck, etc. but ultimately never comes up with a fix. The final answer? Turn the gas nozzle upside down and it won't trip...(until gas erupts from the fill hole like a volcano...)
STILL with the Mustang...the parking brake cable freezes refusing to disengage the parking brake in temps below 32F. Ford acknowledges the problem and replaces it with the SAME part. After warranty? You pay for it.
STILL STILL with the Mustang....aluminum hood corrosion. Paint starts bubbling from UNDER the hood. Ford says "yep, that's corrosion and it's coming from under the hood. Obviously caused by rock chips. Sorry, not covered."
Don't even get me started on the "Shaker" head units or the self de-laminating door panels....
I've had my fair share of Ford trucks and I wish I only had the spark plug issue. Shockingly I never had a spark plug eject from any of my 5.4 trucks through tons of plug changes. I did deal with other things such as....
Cam phaser issues on a 3V 5.4. Sorry, not covered.
3V 5.4 and the spark plugs are STUCK in the motor at 60k miles..."yeah, we've seen that. We'll only charge you $150 for each broken plug....not covered under warranty..."
Head gasket leaking OIL from the back of the head on a 2V 5.4. "Yeah, we knew that was a bad casting. Sorry, not covered."
"Your exhaust manifolds disintegrated? We've never seen that.."
"What do you mean you've had 16 coil packs go bad?"
How about the diesels? Can you imagine paying the ridiculous price Ford charges for a Super Duty and then having the HPFP fail only for them to fight you tooth and nail about fuel quality and trying to stick you with a $10k bill on top of your new $50k truck?
I'm really excited about Ford stepping away from the status quo to potentially do something great. Other manufacturers tend to follow their lead anyway and I guess that's one of the things I love about them. However, I've finally lost all confidence in corporate to do right by the consumer. I still love Ford trucks and I think this one looks awesome, but I will not be a guinea pig for this model. I miss my 96 F-150 4x4 with the 5.8.
Good luck everybody.
To get somewhat back on topic: I'm torn, a bit apprehensive and excited. I'm a Ford fan at heart. Unfortunately I see this going the way of so many new Ford vehicles in the recent past. Let me explain.....
I'll use the 2005 Mustang as an example (get to the 5.4 in a minute...)
Water leak. Anyone remember that? There was a design flaw with the early 2005-2009 body style Mustang that caused water to leak INSIDE the car, ultimately destroying the smart junction box under the passenger's side dash while filling the floor with water. Ford blamed the problem on clogged rubber boot "drains" under the cowl. This told everyone to never let a leaf or some pine straw get on your car. Not covered under warranty. Apparently cleaning out cowl drains every weekend became routine maintenance. Low and behold it was discovered that a firewall grommet lacked an adequate seal from the factory. Too bad, there's a TSB blaming it on the drains, but we will seal that grommet while we're in there, but that's at your expense.
Keeping with the Mustang....the spark plugs are STUCK in the motor on the 3V V8. Ford says "spray with brake cleaner, let sit and remove with engine cold. Wait, that's not working? Spray with brake cleaner and remove with engine warm. Wait, that's not working? Replace with one piece spark plugs but make sure everyone gets a $1000 tuneup because the plugs are good for 100k miles."
Still with the Mustang...you can't fill it with gas because it keeps tripping the fuel nozzle. Ford goes around and around about the filler neck, etc. but ultimately never comes up with a fix. The final answer? Turn the gas nozzle upside down and it won't trip...(until gas erupts from the fill hole like a volcano...)
STILL with the Mustang...the parking brake cable freezes refusing to disengage the parking brake in temps below 32F. Ford acknowledges the problem and replaces it with the SAME part. After warranty? You pay for it.
STILL STILL with the Mustang....aluminum hood corrosion. Paint starts bubbling from UNDER the hood. Ford says "yep, that's corrosion and it's coming from under the hood. Obviously caused by rock chips. Sorry, not covered."
Don't even get me started on the "Shaker" head units or the self de-laminating door panels....
I've had my fair share of Ford trucks and I wish I only had the spark plug issue. Shockingly I never had a spark plug eject from any of my 5.4 trucks through tons of plug changes. I did deal with other things such as....
Cam phaser issues on a 3V 5.4. Sorry, not covered.
3V 5.4 and the spark plugs are STUCK in the motor at 60k miles..."yeah, we've seen that. We'll only charge you $150 for each broken plug....not covered under warranty..."
Head gasket leaking OIL from the back of the head on a 2V 5.4. "Yeah, we knew that was a bad casting. Sorry, not covered."
"Your exhaust manifolds disintegrated? We've never seen that.."
"What do you mean you've had 16 coil packs go bad?"
How about the diesels? Can you imagine paying the ridiculous price Ford charges for a Super Duty and then having the HPFP fail only for them to fight you tooth and nail about fuel quality and trying to stick you with a $10k bill on top of your new $50k truck?
I'm really excited about Ford stepping away from the status quo to potentially do something great. Other manufacturers tend to follow their lead anyway and I guess that's one of the things I love about them. However, I've finally lost all confidence in corporate to do right by the consumer. I still love Ford trucks and I think this one looks awesome, but I will not be a guinea pig for this model. I miss my 96 F-150 4x4 with the 5.8.
Good luck everybody.
Originally Posted By: ECUpirate
This will be long-winded. Please skip if you don't care....
To get somewhat back on topic: I'm torn, a bit apprehensive and excited. I'm a Ford fan at heart. Unfortunately I see this going the way of so many new Ford vehicles in the recent past. Let me explain.....
I'll use the 2005 Mustang as an example (get to the 5.4 in a minute...)
Water leak. Anyone remember that? There was a design flaw with the early 2005-2009 body style Mustang that caused water to leak INSIDE the car, ultimately destroying the smart junction box under the passenger's side dash while filling the floor with water. Ford blamed the problem on clogged rubber boot "drains" under the cowl. This told everyone to never let a leaf or some pine straw get on your car. Not covered under warranty. Apparently cleaning out cowl drains every weekend became routine maintenance. Low and behold it was discovered that a firewall grommet lacked an adequate seal from the factory. Too bad, there's a TSB blaming it on the drains, but we will seal that grommet while we're in there, but that's at your expense.
Keeping with the Mustang....the spark plugs are STUCK in the motor on the 3V V8. Ford says "spray with brake cleaner, let sit and remove with engine cold. Wait, that's not working? Spray with brake cleaner and remove with engine warm. Wait, that's not working? Replace with one piece spark plugs but make sure everyone gets a $1000 tuneup because the plugs are good for 100k miles."
Still with the Mustang...you can't fill it with gas because it keeps tripping the fuel nozzle. Ford goes around and around about the filler neck, etc. but ultimately never comes up with a fix. The final answer? Turn the gas nozzle upside down and it won't trip...(until gas erupts from the fill hole like a volcano...)
STILL with the Mustang...the parking brake cable freezes refusing to disengage the parking brake in temps below 32F. Ford acknowledges the problem and replaces it with the SAME part. After warranty? You pay for it.
STILL STILL with the Mustang....aluminum hood corrosion. Paint starts bubbling from UNDER the hood. Ford says "yep, that's corrosion and it's coming from under the hood. Obviously caused by rock chips. Sorry, not covered."
Don't even get me started on the "Shaker" head units or the self de-laminating door panels....
I've had my fair share of Ford trucks and I wish I only had the spark plug issue. Shockingly I never had a spark plug eject from any of my 5.4 trucks through tons of plug changes. I did deal with other things such as....
Cam phaser issues on a 3V 5.4. Sorry, not covered.
3V 5.4 and the spark plugs are STUCK in the motor at 60k miles..."yeah, we've seen that. We'll only charge you $150 for each broken plug....not covered under warranty..."
Head gasket leaking OIL from the back of the head on a 2V 5.4. "Yeah, we knew that was a bad casting. Sorry, not covered."
"Your exhaust manifolds disintegrated? We've never seen that.."
"What do you mean you've had 16 coil packs go bad?"
How about the diesels? Can you imagine paying the ridiculous price Ford charges for a Super Duty and then having the HPFP fail only for them to fight you tooth and nail about fuel quality and trying to stick you with a $10k bill on top of your new $50k truck?
I'm really excited about Ford stepping away from the status quo to potentially do something great. Other manufacturers tend to follow their lead anyway and I guess that's one of the things I love about them. However, I've finally lost all confidence in corporate to do right by the consumer. I still love Ford trucks and I think this one looks awesome, but I will not be a guinea pig for this model. I miss my 96 F-150 4x4 with the 5.8.
Good luck everybody.
I feel kind of the same way. I am a blue bleeding Ford guy...but just for certain models and certain years. I either like a certain type of Ford a whole lot, or its on my [censored] list.
Lately they've been hitting the [censored] list a lot, and it's disappointing. I don't want a truck that's really good at making noises and showing things on its iPad dash. I want a functional, durable, tough truck like my '02 Ranger, like my former Super Duty work trucks, like the '86 Ranger my parents bought new that earned our trust in Ford trucks.
Lately buying a Ford is like buying an iPad. It's just a flashy disposable thing that makes lots of noises.
I'm not blown away by new Fords at all, even though I apparently should be. Under the hood they look like a thrown together commodity, and working on them sucks. I thought my truck had a lot of electrical tape and haphazardly placed wiring harnesses...it has NOTHING on any new Ford. My truck is a '56 Chevy compared to new Fords.
The last real Ford is the E-Series, and they've been making it gaudy too. At least the E-Series doesn't go "doo doo dooo, doo doo dooo" (at least up to '11). Next year the Transit Euro Trash will replace it. I bet the Transit Euro Trash edition will go "doo doo dooo, doo doo dooo" when you start it.
This will be long-winded. Please skip if you don't care....
To get somewhat back on topic: I'm torn, a bit apprehensive and excited. I'm a Ford fan at heart. Unfortunately I see this going the way of so many new Ford vehicles in the recent past. Let me explain.....
I'll use the 2005 Mustang as an example (get to the 5.4 in a minute...)
Water leak. Anyone remember that? There was a design flaw with the early 2005-2009 body style Mustang that caused water to leak INSIDE the car, ultimately destroying the smart junction box under the passenger's side dash while filling the floor with water. Ford blamed the problem on clogged rubber boot "drains" under the cowl. This told everyone to never let a leaf or some pine straw get on your car. Not covered under warranty. Apparently cleaning out cowl drains every weekend became routine maintenance. Low and behold it was discovered that a firewall grommet lacked an adequate seal from the factory. Too bad, there's a TSB blaming it on the drains, but we will seal that grommet while we're in there, but that's at your expense.
Keeping with the Mustang....the spark plugs are STUCK in the motor on the 3V V8. Ford says "spray with brake cleaner, let sit and remove with engine cold. Wait, that's not working? Spray with brake cleaner and remove with engine warm. Wait, that's not working? Replace with one piece spark plugs but make sure everyone gets a $1000 tuneup because the plugs are good for 100k miles."
Still with the Mustang...you can't fill it with gas because it keeps tripping the fuel nozzle. Ford goes around and around about the filler neck, etc. but ultimately never comes up with a fix. The final answer? Turn the gas nozzle upside down and it won't trip...(until gas erupts from the fill hole like a volcano...)
STILL with the Mustang...the parking brake cable freezes refusing to disengage the parking brake in temps below 32F. Ford acknowledges the problem and replaces it with the SAME part. After warranty? You pay for it.
STILL STILL with the Mustang....aluminum hood corrosion. Paint starts bubbling from UNDER the hood. Ford says "yep, that's corrosion and it's coming from under the hood. Obviously caused by rock chips. Sorry, not covered."
Don't even get me started on the "Shaker" head units or the self de-laminating door panels....
I've had my fair share of Ford trucks and I wish I only had the spark plug issue. Shockingly I never had a spark plug eject from any of my 5.4 trucks through tons of plug changes. I did deal with other things such as....
Cam phaser issues on a 3V 5.4. Sorry, not covered.
3V 5.4 and the spark plugs are STUCK in the motor at 60k miles..."yeah, we've seen that. We'll only charge you $150 for each broken plug....not covered under warranty..."
Head gasket leaking OIL from the back of the head on a 2V 5.4. "Yeah, we knew that was a bad casting. Sorry, not covered."
"Your exhaust manifolds disintegrated? We've never seen that.."
"What do you mean you've had 16 coil packs go bad?"
How about the diesels? Can you imagine paying the ridiculous price Ford charges for a Super Duty and then having the HPFP fail only for them to fight you tooth and nail about fuel quality and trying to stick you with a $10k bill on top of your new $50k truck?
I'm really excited about Ford stepping away from the status quo to potentially do something great. Other manufacturers tend to follow their lead anyway and I guess that's one of the things I love about them. However, I've finally lost all confidence in corporate to do right by the consumer. I still love Ford trucks and I think this one looks awesome, but I will not be a guinea pig for this model. I miss my 96 F-150 4x4 with the 5.8.
Good luck everybody.
I feel kind of the same way. I am a blue bleeding Ford guy...but just for certain models and certain years. I either like a certain type of Ford a whole lot, or its on my [censored] list.
Lately they've been hitting the [censored] list a lot, and it's disappointing. I don't want a truck that's really good at making noises and showing things on its iPad dash. I want a functional, durable, tough truck like my '02 Ranger, like my former Super Duty work trucks, like the '86 Ranger my parents bought new that earned our trust in Ford trucks.
Lately buying a Ford is like buying an iPad. It's just a flashy disposable thing that makes lots of noises.
I'm not blown away by new Fords at all, even though I apparently should be. Under the hood they look like a thrown together commodity, and working on them sucks. I thought my truck had a lot of electrical tape and haphazardly placed wiring harnesses...it has NOTHING on any new Ford. My truck is a '56 Chevy compared to new Fords.
The last real Ford is the E-Series, and they've been making it gaudy too. At least the E-Series doesn't go "doo doo dooo, doo doo dooo" (at least up to '11). Next year the Transit Euro Trash will replace it. I bet the Transit Euro Trash edition will go "doo doo dooo, doo doo dooo" when you start it.
Originally Posted By: supton
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Who pays retail for a pickup? Certainly not us.
One time we got a new p/u with 200 miles that had TWO pages of window sticker, it listed just short of 50k.
We got it for about half that, drove it 160k miles and sold it for the mid teens!
Very cost effective in a biz where you depreciate the vehicle...
Yeah, but how many vehicles do you buy per year?
None hopefully!
I go by my gut as far as replacement goes. We buy more pickups than vans, I routinely run the vans to death. We just sold an 04, they are kept FAR longer than is typical in these fleets.
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Who pays retail for a pickup? Certainly not us.
One time we got a new p/u with 200 miles that had TWO pages of window sticker, it listed just short of 50k.
We got it for about half that, drove it 160k miles and sold it for the mid teens!
Very cost effective in a biz where you depreciate the vehicle...
Yeah, but how many vehicles do you buy per year?
None hopefully!
I go by my gut as far as replacement goes. We buy more pickups than vans, I routinely run the vans to death. We just sold an 04, they are kept FAR longer than is typical in these fleets.
I like the idea of aluminum IMO it is a giant step forward. Shedding 700 lbs is a big deal. Any idea how much it drove up the cost?
I wonder how this will effect insurance rates and costs of repairing them in the event of an accident? Aluminum is a lot more expensive then what it replaced and working with it is probably more difficult. It might end up being what you save at the pump you'll spend elsewhere on insurance and repair costs in the event of a collision.
I wonder how this will effect insurance rates and costs of repairing them in the event of an accident? Aluminum is a lot more expensive then what it replaced and working with it is probably more difficult. It might end up being what you save at the pump you'll spend elsewhere on insurance and repair costs in the event of a collision.
Our family owned body shop is gearing up for this trend.
Sending techs to 'school' to learn about this type of construction, very expensive training is available. Good shops will be forced to make the 'leap' if they want to work on one of the biggest sellers out there...
Sending techs to 'school' to learn about this type of construction, very expensive training is available. Good shops will be forced to make the 'leap' if they want to work on one of the biggest sellers out there...
Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
Originally Posted By: FXjohn
no one buys regular cabs any more.
Plenty of people, in particular fleet buyers, buy regular cabs.
There are just a disproportionate number of crew cabs now because crew cab pickups are the new minivan.
the take rate on reg cabs was about 5 percent last I read. probably lower than the amount of people who buy or want to buy manual transmissions. and for the record I have two reg cab trucks and one is manual.
Originally Posted By: FXjohn
no one buys regular cabs any more.
Plenty of people, in particular fleet buyers, buy regular cabs.
There are just a disproportionate number of crew cabs now because crew cab pickups are the new minivan.
the take rate on reg cabs was about 5 percent last I read. probably lower than the amount of people who buy or want to buy manual transmissions. and for the record I have two reg cab trucks and one is manual.
In trucks, I bet the take rate on manuals is even lower than 5%. People do not seem to like manuals in trucks. Most manual trucks I see/drive are 1990s or older. The last manual truck I drove was a 1999ish Sonoma 2.2, and before that a 1995ish I6 F-150, and before that a 2000ish F-550 PSD dump truck. In other words older, fairly basic trucks or hardcore work trucks.
I think Bill in Utah somehow ordered/bought a '99-'02 Silverado with a manual, V8, and ext cab/Z71 package. Talk about RARE. Never seen a configuration like that in person.
I have to admit to being a bit of a hypocrite here. I HAD a bare bones manual trans, vinyl bench seat, regular cab Ranger that I loved and that was super reliable. My current Ranger on the other hand is a much more common Super Cab automatic. Sometimes I still miss that old bare bones one, but I have to admit the Super Cab automatic does just about everything better. It's an old school Super Cab though - just two doors, and the automatic is a heavily retrofitted and upgraded 1970s transmission.
I think Bill in Utah somehow ordered/bought a '99-'02 Silverado with a manual, V8, and ext cab/Z71 package. Talk about RARE. Never seen a configuration like that in person.
I have to admit to being a bit of a hypocrite here. I HAD a bare bones manual trans, vinyl bench seat, regular cab Ranger that I loved and that was super reliable. My current Ranger on the other hand is a much more common Super Cab automatic. Sometimes I still miss that old bare bones one, but I have to admit the Super Cab automatic does just about everything better. It's an old school Super Cab though - just two doors, and the automatic is a heavily retrofitted and upgraded 1970s transmission.
fancy trim level pictured, will need to see all the trim levels...
The more I see it the more I like it, especially after I saw a driving video.
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