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Yes. No issues, the oil empties from the box nicely and the used oil loads right back in it.
Other than anectdotal jibberish I have no information on the oil performance.
Other than anectdotal jibberish I have no information on the oil performance.
Running Havoline Pro DS 10w-30 in my 2004 Toyota right now. Its just over a thousand miles now. Everything appears to be doing well.
I'll be running a UOA in about Oct/Nov.
I'll be running a UOA in about Oct/Nov.
Originally Posted by Sealbilly
Anybody running that Havoline synthetic that comes in a 6 quart cardboard box like cheap wine comes in?
I just had my friend do an OCI in my engine with a box of the HM 5W20. Very good price for 6 qts. of quality oil.
Anybody running that Havoline synthetic that comes in a 6 quart cardboard box like cheap wine comes in?
I just had my friend do an OCI in my engine with a box of the HM 5W20. Very good price for 6 qts. of quality oil.
Consistantly a low tbn oil, I'd do a uoa with tbn and tan if I was gonna run it regularly. This is one uoa, but the latest ones I have seen have even been lower. You get what you pay for.
That is a older result.... Even then... Look at the CCS.. way lower than most other oils out there....
That oil meet Dexos.. nothing wrong with that either.
Havoline Pro DS is a very good oil. Meets same exact specs has others on the shelf. That's all that matters.
That oil meet Dexos.. nothing wrong with that either.
Havoline Pro DS is a very good oil. Meets same exact specs has others on the shelf. That's all that matters.
I am talking about the tbn results only, and most I've seen are in the 1700 CA level. Just a fact nothing more, if you plan on doing a long interval verify that. Synthetic oil starting consistantly in the 7's is low tbn. Has a tbn like conventional oils, even on that sheet it is lower then average buy nearly 20%. This forum seams to not have a lot if any uoa's on it. Just trying to help the OP.
You want to pick and choose a number.... And choose to ignore others... Look at the whole picture of a product. Not just one part. If it meets a tougher spec than basic API SN which that did... Dexos1. It was just fine as it was.
Just like it is fine now.
Again.. that CCS number was one of the lowest on the market at that time.... Which oil best it?? Amsoil. Which one can say that Havoline full synthetic likely had a decent amount of real full group 4 synthetic oil in it for that CCS to be that low.
Just like it is fine now.
Again.. that CCS number was one of the lowest on the market at that time.... Which oil best it?? Amsoil. Which one can say that Havoline full synthetic likely had a decent amount of real full group 4 synthetic oil in it for that CCS to be that low.
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Like I said with a stat sheet, it just happens to have a low tbn, I'm not sure you yaw'll wish to make this a big deal. Universal averages are well over 1.5 higher, and tbn is an important feature of an oil. You know, that is why it is the first thing on every oil with pqia. Someone wanting to choose an oil and run it for a long time, what would you genuis's think would be better then tbn to look at? I was a truck driver for a decade, all we cared about what tbn, nothing else. Not spec hunting and showing our feelings of oils, simply look at the tbn so acid doesn't eat our trucks engines and have the right visc, and have a smooth ride. Not mentioning the tbn is just handing out BAD info. I wont bother to carry on, maybe the OP will consider what I said, maybe not.
Again... It's one blanking parameter... One. And that is not a end all be all circumstance. Plain and simple.. it's not... And guess what former truck driver??? Those have oils that meet specs too... And those specs matter a whole Hades a lot... Specifications matter a lot if one is a owner operator of a semi... Tell me that don't matter?? And I will sell you ocean front property in Flagstaff Az.. If it meets a spec higher than a basic level API SN spec... Which that oil did.. That obviously makes it a better than baseline entry product.
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random uoa's
so on that list two oils have a lower tbn, LUKE oil and Lucas. That is the class you put yourself in. The big names, choose to have higher tbn, I'm sure everyone's feelings in this thread trump what major oil comapnies do with their formulations.
all major brands higher tbn
castrol
valvoline
m1
mobil
quaker stae
pennzoil x2
shaeffers even pronline
Sorry, there is a reason why havoline is not that popluar even though they have the biggest name in the game behind them.
so on that list two oils have a lower tbn, LUKE oil and Lucas. That is the class you put yourself in. The big names, choose to have higher tbn, I'm sure everyone's feelings in this thread trump what major oil comapnies do with their formulations.
all major brands higher tbn
castrol
valvoline
m1
mobil
quaker stae
pennzoil x2
shaeffers even pronline
Sorry, there is a reason why havoline is not that popluar even though they have the biggest name in the game behind them.
Originally Posted by burla
So uoa's on lower tbn oils are a smart move, have facts to back up feelings. Or is it is a cheap oil in a wine box, sounds like a short oci would be the good move, and likely better then running a better oil twice as long anyhow.
Well your posts are full of feelings. One you don't understand TBN retention that is clear. "Conventional" does not start with low TBN.
So uoa's on lower tbn oils are a smart move, have facts to back up feelings. Or is it is a cheap oil in a wine box, sounds like a short oci would be the good move, and likely better then running a better oil twice as long anyhow.
Well your posts are full of feelings. One you don't understand TBN retention that is clear. "Conventional" does not start with low TBN.
Originally Posted by burla
random uoa's
so on that list two oils have a lower tbn, LUKE oil and Lucas. That is the class you put yourself in. The big names, choose to have higher tbn, I'm sure everyone's feelings in this thread trump what major oil comapnies do with their formulations.
all major brands higher tbn
castrol
valvoline
m1
mobil
quaker stae
pennzoil x2
shaeffers even pronline
Sorry, there is a reason why havoline is not that popluar even though they have the biggest name in the game behind them.
So popularity determines if the oil is quality. Well then your precious Red Line is terrible by your non logic. It has something like a .2 market share.
random uoa's
so on that list two oils have a lower tbn, LUKE oil and Lucas. That is the class you put yourself in. The big names, choose to have higher tbn, I'm sure everyone's feelings in this thread trump what major oil comapnies do with their formulations.
all major brands higher tbn
castrol
valvoline
m1
mobil
quaker stae
pennzoil x2
shaeffers even pronline
Sorry, there is a reason why havoline is not that popluar even though they have the biggest name in the game behind them.
So popularity determines if the oil is quality. Well then your precious Red Line is terrible by your non logic. It has something like a .2 market share.
You are on a non regular length bus....
Seriously...
Specs don't matter right???
Look up Porsche A40 testing... Video online about it...
And then tell me some how or someway a regular API SN approval is any where near that tough??
Yeah.. apples and oranges... Huge difference...
That's a fact Hoss... Not opinion. A fact. Specifications mean a lot.
Seriously...
Specs don't matter right???
Look up Porsche A40 testing... Video online about it...
And then tell me some how or someway a regular API SN approval is any where near that tough??
Yeah.. apples and oranges... Huge difference...
That's a fact Hoss... Not opinion. A fact. Specifications mean a lot.
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