Harley-Davidson Moving More Production Overseas!

A guy in my chapter bought a new Indian Pursuit and it was riddled with issues. At less than 5000 miles it burned up the clutch and Indian wouldn’t honor it under warranty because he had ridden it in a parade. His start/stop switch threw a code to the ECU and as a result the ECU locked out the bike from starting without a dealer reset…on a Saturday afternoon, 400+ miles from home. Nearby dealer said “have someone bring it in on a flatbed and we will look at it Monday” our local dealer he bought it from said the same thing. He ended up selling it and getting back on an HD. This guy logged more miles than anyone else in our chapter and logged 25,000+ miles every year on his Road Glide and never did more than factory recommended maintenance on it. That Indian was beautiful, powerful, cool, and comfortable…but with those issues it wasn’t reliable enough for the amount of riding he does.
Thanks for this feedback. I LOVE my Road King. Bought new in the Smoky Mountains of Tennessee. We lived in Columbia SC at the time. Every year (until two years ago) we rode up to the Smoky Mountains for well over a decade. IN 2014 my wife and I on our annual summer trip rode up on our VStar 1300 tourer. Last day of vacation, in the pouring rain we pulled into a Harley Dealer on our Start 1300 in Pigeon Forge and rode out on a new 2014 Road King.

I was scared to death *LOL* told myself slow and easy. Mountain roads, rain, never test drove the bike, never was on a Harley. Loaded with luggage and my wife on the back. It rained the entire time from TN to NC to SC on the interstate until we hit the SC border. We even bought rain suits at the Harley dealer before we left. Even at the dealership they had the weather radar pulled on their computer and were watching the storm. I knew sooner or later we would hit sunshine but it took a long time*LOL*
The dealership was also curious how we made out.

Ok, anyway. to the point, I still have that bike, my riding has fallen off the last 3 years as we bought a new home 2 years ago and really just getting settled in. But now on the NC coast I guess the trips up there will be little to none, however looking to maybe cruise the coast line soon.

TO date - almost 35,000 miles on the 2014 Road King now. The bike has NEVER (true story) been in the shop for any kind of repair.
I do my own, oil, gear case, primary fluid changes. However I did have (at the time) my local HD dealer do front and back brakes and any new tires I always used the Harley branded ones because they have take us through dozens of rain storms, never stopping, some so bad the raindrops would sting your hands, other times we thought we saw a funnel cloud. My wife counted one time up to 12 cars pulled off the side of the interstate, slow and steady we drove by. So I have faith in those tires. Also the rear tire makes it about 14,000 miles before needing replacement which is much loner than the metric cruisers and I dont know why.

Believe it or not. I find the cost of going to the dealership no worse than that of any professional service. I actually like bring the bike there for those things because they know what they are doing and I never had an issue.

With all the above said. I had nothing against my first bike, a Suzuki and my second bike the Star 1300 each one was a step up. I like them all.

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Thanks for this feedback. I LOVE my Road King. Bought new in the Smoky Mountains of Tennessee. We lived in Columbia SC at the time. Every year (until two years ago) we rode up to the Smoky Mountains for well over a decade. IN 2014 my wife and I on our annual summer trip rode up on our VStar 1300 tourer. Last day of vacation, in the pouring rain we pulled into a Harley Dealer on our Start 1300 in Pigeon Forge and rode out on a new 2014 Road King.

I was scared to death *LOL* told myself slow and easy. Mountain roads, rain, never test drove the bike, never was on a Harley. Loaded with luggage and my wife on the back. It rained the entire time from TN to NC to SC on the interstate until we hit the SC border. We even bought rain suits at the Harley dealer before we left. Even at the dealership they had the weather radar pulled on their computer and were watching the storm. I knew sooner or later we would hit sunshine but it took a long time*LOL*
The dealership was also curious how we made out.

Ok, anyway. to the point, I still have that bike, my riding has fallen off the last 3 years as we bought a new home 2 years ago and really just getting settled in. But now on the NC coast I guess the trips up there will be little to none, however looking to maybe cruise the coast line soon.

TO date - almost 35,000 miles on the 2014 Road King now. The bike has NEVER (true story) been in the shop for any kind of repair.
I do my own, oil, gear case, primary fluid changes. However I did have (at the time) my local HD dealer do front and back brakes and any new tires I always used the Harley branded ones because they have take us through dozens of rain storms, never stopping, some so bad the raindrops would sting your hands, other times we thought we saw a funnel cloud. My wife counted one time up to 12 cars pulled off the side of the interstate, slow and steady we drove by. So I have faith in those tires. Also the rear tire makes it about 14,000 miles before needing replacement which is much loner than the metric cruisers and I dont know why.

Believe it or not. I find the cost of going to the dealership no worse than that of any professional service. I actually like bring the bike there for those things because they know what they are doing and I never had an issue.

With all the above said. I had nothing against my first bike, a Suzuki and my second bike the Star 1300 each one was a step up. I like them all.
Thats’s a great story! Sounds like you and your wife spend a lot of quality time together; something my wife and I strive to do as well, though it’s sometimes difficult with 4 sons 🤣. A former MSF student turned young friend of mine has a V-Star (it’s admittedly old!) that has been eating up his time and finances on repairs. He bit the bullet and bought a very nice used Kawi Concours so he could still ride while the V-Star is down for repairs.

I’ve put more miles on my Road Glide than I ever have on any of my other bikes and beaten the snot out of it. 130mph regularly, Lock and Lean training, lots of practice (which means lots of dropping it, lol), rain storms like what you and your wife have ridden through (cars parked under all the overpasses and not one would let my wife and I park under with them safely) and she was on a Honda Rebel 1100! and the bike hasn’t complained once. I do my own maintenance as well and use High Performance Lubricants brand fluids. Replaced the suspension with Ohlins all the way around so I could truly tune it for whatever situation I happen to be riding. I love this bike and I was a “Never Harley!” guy for 2 decades 🤣
 
Thats’s a great story! Sounds like you and your wife spend a lot of quality time together; something my wife and I strive to do as well, though it’s sometimes difficult with 4 sons 🤣. A former MSF student turned young friend of mine has a V-Star (it’s admittedly old!) that has been eating up his time and finances on repairs. He bit the bullet and bought a very nice used Kawi Concours so he could still ride while the V-Star is down for repairs.

I’ve put more miles on my Road Glide than I ever have on any of my other bikes and beaten the snot out of it. 130mph regularly, Lock and Lean training, lots of practice (which means lots of dropping it, lol), rain storms like what you and your wife have ridden through (cars parked under all the overpasses and not one would let my wife and I park under with them safely) and she was on a Honda Rebel 1100! and the bike hasn’t complained once. I do my own maintenance as well and use High Performance Lubricants brand fluids. Replaced the suspension with Ohlins all the way around so I could truly tune it for whatever situation I happen to be riding. I love this bike and I was a “Never Harley!” guy for 2 decades 🤣
Very similar story> I too wasnt much of a Harley guy. What changed my mind at the time was the glowing reviews of the new 2014 "Rushmore" bikes and my desire for ABS. Wow good for your wife, she rides! Mine has no desire but is very comfortable on the back. Actually once in a while on a ling trip she will fall asleep.
That trunk you see in the photo snaps off in about a minute. I mostly use the standard HD backrest except for trips of if my wife and I are just cruising around and think we may need it.

BTW- I REALLY like the Concours. Why? again, I guess for the simple time tested technology on the bike. As I get older was thinking if I was to get another metric that would be the one. I think Kawi just discontinued it in 2022
I know many publications would mention other bikes more advanced but the 14 always did everything right or something like that.

All manufacturers have been hit in motorcycle sales I think in 2018 Kawi discontinued a dozen models in many overseas markets and the Concours 14 remained only available in USA< CANADA and Latin America.

Anyway, how does he like the Concours?
 
I am not so sure that audience is there anymore.

That's the problem. The large customer base that those bikes really appeal to, are aging out, moving on to less demanding machines (3-wheelers, etc) or frankly, dying off. I personally know a bunch who have moved to trikes, Can Am spyders, side x sides to explore on the dirt, or have given up riding entirely, or passed away.
 
I can agree that price has an effect on the number of bike sold, but if you bought a bike 4 years ago, there's a chance your still paying for it. The big bike rally's which are mostly Harley people, are still going on . Trikes are popular as a way to keep riding. Most probably don't ride as much as they used to. I'm in that crowd, but the last couple of bikes I went to look at my local dealer were bought while I was trying to make up my mind. So people are still buying, obviously not in the numbers like before. Alot of peoples money is stretched to the limit. Paying high rents and home mortgages are eating up alot of fun money. Boats, Rv's, and motorcycle sales are Down everywhere. But with the new ceo coming, that may breath some new life into the moco, and inspire buyers that can afford it to go shopping. That's my 2 cents.,,
 
I think HD has a bigger problem than whether they are going to pay more for tariff importing from Thailand. 15 years ago I only know one guy under the age of 50 wanting a HD, and today, only that same guy under the age of 60 wanting one.

What is their plan when in 10 years that becomes 70? Have they at least though of buying another company or starting a new brand selling something for younger people? At least target people below 40? That's not the job of the assembly line workers building the bike.
 
I think HD has a bigger problem than whether they are going to pay more for tariff importing from Thailand. 15 years ago I only know one guy under the age of 50 wanting a HD, and today, only that same guy under the age of 60 wanting one.

What is their plan when in 10 years that becomes 70? Have they at least though of buying another company or starting a new brand selling something for younger people? At least target people below 40? That's not the job of the assembly line workers building the bike.
I said this exact thing more or less about 8 pages up, and was admonished for calling a Harley a "couch with 2 wheels".

My point was there is nothing wrong with that at all. Just not everyone wants that. They have painted themselves into a shrinking corner.
 
It will be as good as HD wants and works for it to be....and domestic manufacture does not always equate to quality, unfortunately.
This for sure. Moving production of anything overseas does not guarantee a quality drop, HD still has complete control over that. Look at most electronics brands, mostly made in china yet quality is still quite good because they want it to be.
 
You serious? In CO mountains, for every HD I can see 5 BMW's R1200s. SImilar ratio could be said about Triumph etc.
I see this everyday. I ride to work year-round and park with about 200 other bikes outside work. On the best of summer riding days you’d be hard-pressed to count more than 20-25 Harley’s in that lot. Sport-makers clearly make up the majority, even supersports aren’t common. Harley’s are mainly only attractive to one, dwindling demographic.
 
I said this exact thing more or less about 8 pages up, and was admonished for calling a Harley a "couch with 2 wheels".

My point was there is nothing wrong with that at all. Just not everyone wants that. They have painted themselves into a shrinking corner.
Most people who comment on a Harley Davidson motorcycle in a negative way have not or never rode a new one in the last 10 years

My road King far exceeds the handling characteristics of my Yamaha V star 1300, my Suzuki and really any big interstate cruiser

It’s why the Japanese have virtually abandoned the marketplace besides the shrinking population that part is true, but they never could compete except for a generic type of bike that look the same, but did not handle the same.

There are a lot of armchair critics when it comes to Holly Davidson comments who never even got on the bike and rode a late model cruiser.
 
Most people who comment on a Harley Davidson motorcycle in a negative way have not or never rode a new one in the last 10 years

My road King far exceeds the handling characteristics of my Yamaha V star 1300, my Suzuki and really any big interstate cruiser

It’s why the Japanese have virtually abandoned the marketplace besides the shrinking population that part is true, but they never could compete except for a generic type of bike that look the same, but did not handle the same
Not everyone wants a "big interstate cruiser".
 
Do the comments suggest American workers are no longer able to produce world class quality goods, even with their high wages and workplace safety protections?

If so, this is a far bigger issue than offshoring is.

Scott
More accurate American management is incapable of providing an environment of quality parts tools and treatment so American workers can.make quality products.
Rod
 
Motorcycles are seldom anything more than toys in the US compared to countries who use small bikes as a DD …
They can buy a home overseas for what an HD costs. …
Some I knew with dirt bikes wind up buying 4X4 side by sides for off road use … carry 4 people plus gear …
 
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