Ive been reading here about Mobil 1 evidently switching their formula to now use group 3 basestocks instead of group 4. So what now? Which companys make a absolute without a doubt group 4 synthetic motor oil? The list can,t be that long.
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Mobil1 0w-20, Syntec 0w-30 , and Amsoil full synth product line are all group IV.
An honorable mention is Pennzoil's 0w-20 is made of the enticing group III+. Good luck finding it though.
An honorable mention is Pennzoil's 0w-20 is made of the enticing group III+. Good luck finding it though.
what are you basing the M1 0w-20 off of?
the japanese M1 page did list all the 0w oils as PAO only, but it didn't seem to have 0w-20 on the list.
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What Mobil-1 regular and EP oil weights have only Group III?
The Mobil 1 has swithched to group 3 hysteria is based on tests of 2 weights in the EP line, speculation, hearsay and a desire by some to jump on the nearest bandwagon to be part of something "big".
AND also based on XOM's "proprietary" reply to the magic question. The lack of a positive response to a simple question asked dozens of times is proof enough.
M1 is GroupIII. A horrible thing? Nope, but at their pricing, we have a right to an educated decision when we consider XOM's product. Therefore, since the XOM worms aren't saying, lots here don't consider their product anymore. This is a small venue. XOM could not care less what we here think. The average sucker out there is unaware and XOM knows it. And continues to price the product "as if".
Borderline crooked, but then, THAT'S XOM for ya!
M1 is GroupIII. A horrible thing? Nope, but at their pricing, we have a right to an educated decision when we consider XOM's product. Therefore, since the XOM worms aren't saying, lots here don't consider their product anymore. This is a small venue. XOM could not care less what we here think. The average sucker out there is unaware and XOM knows it. And continues to price the product "as if".
Borderline crooked, but then, THAT'S XOM for ya!
farrarfan 1.. Mobil 1 is mostly G-III basestock and has been as far back as NOV. 2004. TOM NJ knows more about synthetic lubricants than ANYONE on this site, and i do mean ANYONE. TOM NJ has years of hands on experience developing synthetic lubricants, he is tops in his field, and so are the people who work with him. When he dose a GC on a basestock he knows what he's looking at. Hope this helps you in making decisions on your lubricants needs.
That's really misleading. The tests showed that some M1 EP grades use mostly Group 3 along with some ester and alkylated napthalene. Each viscosity grade of M1 does use different types and ratios of basestocks. I'm not defending M1 for using Group 3 but we must keep the details of the truth in mind despite our unhappiness.
what is schaeffer's 9000 5w40?
This is all I know: http://www.schaefferoil.com/msdspdf/9000.pdf
Says 20-25% PAO and the rest of the basestocks are Group 3.
No newbie that's were you're wrong.Cite your references that Mobil 1 is "mostly G-111 basestock". Don't just regurgitate someone else's opinion. Give some facts that back your claim. TomNJ tested 2 samples of Mobil 1 EP.To infer that all grades are now "mostly" group 3 is pure speculation. I agree that TomNJ is very well respected in his field. I don't question his results of the 2 samples he tested. What has gotten lost in all the high fiving and chest bumping that the victims are doing after they testify about how they were wronged and violated by Mobil is that TomNJ stated that he still uses M1 because he believes it to be a good product.If we are to take his interpretation of the GC tests as absolute gospel then why not accept his opinion that the product works so good that he still uses it?
We also must keep in mind that the Gas Chromatography tests couldn't detect any super high viscosity-super high viscosity index PAOs that Mobil makes and may use in M1 Supersyn oils.
But I still am not pleased with UOAs of XW-20 and XW-30 M1 SM oils, so all this basestock talk is sort of irrelevent to me.
But I still am not pleased with UOAs of XW-20 and XW-30 M1 SM oils, so all this basestock talk is sort of irrelevent to me.
Fair enough JAG, the voice of reason.
I might still consider Mobil 1 based on on performance, price, and vehicle...If we could frequently verify which Mobil 1 products and which production codes were indeed the ' true synthetic ' Group IV / V oils that Mobil 1 marketed to us so aggressively.
Right now I'm faced with a buying decision in which Mobil 1 is expensive, it may or may not contain the ingredients that once was a primary factor in my selection of Mobil 1, and I feel like they betrayed loyal customers.
Sort of like : " I'm going to keep buying organic 'all natural' steak from Giant Meatpacker X, in the hope that some of the steaks are actually steak ".
I will do this despite the fact that in other countires they have mnade it clear that some of the steak is no longer made of 100% all natural , hormone free, non GMO beef....but is really a cheaper non organic man made beef substitute, that other companies sell for far less.
I will also do this despite the fact that Giant Meatpacker X is the company that bragged about how premium organic, all natural steaks were superior , healthier, and worth the extra money.
And I wil do this despite the fact that every time someone writes to Giant Meatpacker X that the response is now written in carefully chosen weasel words that refuse to answer a direct question, and mnerely instruct us to not let ingredients influence our steak buying decisions anymore, Instead, we should now let them make our performance decisons for us, and quit asking questions.
How badly can major corporations behave before consumers say enough?
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That depends! There are at least one RP passenger vehicle weight that has Group IV and Group I together.
Has anyone found a boatload of Group III in any Mobil-1 EP passenger vehicle weights? I had already suspected Mobil-1 downgraded the regular Mobil-1 when EP arrived on the scene.
777, is there any chance you smoked some dooby this morning? If not, I'm afraid you get an "F" for not paying attention in BITOG school! LoL
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I'm not following your lead.
Please tell me where I erred?
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