You got that. I love the posts that say They are just as good as a Michelin........ya right..
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Originally Posted By: Button
People take CR Results way too serious. For example on car reliability . . . if you compare JD Power vs. CR there results vary greatly.
Nevertheless, Michelin makes excellent tires but in my opinion aren't worth the premium prices when you can get comparable tires for much cheaper.
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Granted, I've been thinking Michelin myself lately....
Help! I'm being sucked in!
People take CR Results way too serious. For example on car reliability . . . if you compare JD Power vs. CR there results vary greatly.
Nevertheless, Michelin makes excellent tires but in my opinion aren't worth the premium prices when you can get comparable tires for much cheaper.
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Granted, I've been thinking Michelin myself lately....
Help! I'm being sucked in!
My 1st set of Exaltos {V speed rated} lasted 55,000 miles on my heavy, hard driven Q45.....15,000 miles into the second set of exaltos and wearing beautifully. The absolute best V rated all season high performance tire in my experience....long lasting, quiet, handles well in dry/wet/and snow and rides well and holds its balance.
We have a fleet here and Michelin is the only tire we buy.
I have experienced some amazing transformations as though I bought new suspension as well as tires! Amazing tread life and traction that can be life saving.
They are worth the extra few bucks.
I have experienced some amazing transformations as though I bought new suspension as well as tires! Amazing tread life and traction that can be life saving.
They are worth the extra few bucks.
Originally Posted By: Button
People take CR Results way too serious. For example on car reliability . . . if you compare JD Power vs. CR there results vary greatly.
Nevertheless, Michelin makes excellent tires but in my opinion aren't worth the premium prices when you can get comparable tires for much cheaper.
Their tire testing is a whole different animal. Their vehicle reliability reports are based only on survey data, which are voluntary. There's no reliability to that data.
But their tire testing is done in-house, using instrumented tests. The only subjective ratings are noise and ride quality. Everything else is a measured metric.
In the tire world, there aren't too many resources to turn to. Tire Rack is a great one, but they tend to focus on performance tires. For light truck tires and passenger car tires, CR is about the only game in town as far as objective ratings.
I don't really care for CR as a whole, and don't even subscribe to the print magazine. But I subscribe online, and follow their tire testing program extremely closely. It's good data.
I would also take exception to your notion of "comparability", but that's just based on my own experience. Belonging to the Michelin club myself, there are enough value-adds to me with that brand that it's typically the one I choose. If you do enough research, Michelin tires are often among the cheapest to own as well, on a cost-per-mile basis, due to their often class-leading rolling resistance. The current #1-rated HydroEdge in the latest CR test being a curious exception.
People take CR Results way too serious. For example on car reliability . . . if you compare JD Power vs. CR there results vary greatly.
Nevertheless, Michelin makes excellent tires but in my opinion aren't worth the premium prices when you can get comparable tires for much cheaper.
Their tire testing is a whole different animal. Their vehicle reliability reports are based only on survey data, which are voluntary. There's no reliability to that data.
But their tire testing is done in-house, using instrumented tests. The only subjective ratings are noise and ride quality. Everything else is a measured metric.
In the tire world, there aren't too many resources to turn to. Tire Rack is a great one, but they tend to focus on performance tires. For light truck tires and passenger car tires, CR is about the only game in town as far as objective ratings.
I don't really care for CR as a whole, and don't even subscribe to the print magazine. But I subscribe online, and follow their tire testing program extremely closely. It's good data.
I would also take exception to your notion of "comparability", but that's just based on my own experience. Belonging to the Michelin club myself, there are enough value-adds to me with that brand that it's typically the one I choose. If you do enough research, Michelin tires are often among the cheapest to own as well, on a cost-per-mile basis, due to their often class-leading rolling resistance. The current #1-rated HydroEdge in the latest CR test being a curious exception.
"They" base their tests mainly on dry handling & braking. Their #1-rated tire may be poor in snow/ice. That's handy for those who live in TX & FL. I often read "them" for entertainment/reference, but I sure do not base my buying decisions on "their" ratings.
Good time to but Michelin has a 70 dollar rebate going on right now on a set of four tires.... take a look at there website....
Originally Posted By: kkreit01
"They" base their tests mainly on dry handling & braking. Their #1-rated tire may be poor in snow/ice. That's handy for those who live in TX & FL. I often read "them" for entertainment/reference, but I sure do not base my buying decisions on "their" ratings.
Obviously, everybody will have their own priorities in a tire, and will weight different fields differently. Their ratings actually do not have a bias towards the dry performance areas, or at least this is what they have indicated before on their tire talk discussion forum. They even go as far to narrate their ratings on the website, and recommend tires that are good 4-season tires, and tires that are good if you don't have cold weather where you live.
As with every data point, I think all you can do is use it as a reference. I don't think anyone expects anything else.
"They" base their tests mainly on dry handling & braking. Their #1-rated tire may be poor in snow/ice. That's handy for those who live in TX & FL. I often read "them" for entertainment/reference, but I sure do not base my buying decisions on "their" ratings.
Obviously, everybody will have their own priorities in a tire, and will weight different fields differently. Their ratings actually do not have a bias towards the dry performance areas, or at least this is what they have indicated before on their tire talk discussion forum. They even go as far to narrate their ratings on the website, and recommend tires that are good 4-season tires, and tires that are good if you don't have cold weather where you live.
As with every data point, I think all you can do is use it as a reference. I don't think anyone expects anything else.
I wanted to add that nobody ever said that CR is the the final word on tires. Far from it. It's simply another data point. Tire reviews can vary quite a bit, and instrumented testing is hard to come by. In my experience, if a Tire Rack test praises a tire, and if Tire Rack customers praise a tire, and if Consumer Reports praises a tire, you almost have a guaranteed winner. When various resources disagree on a tire, you at least know you have some more research to do.
I find CR's tire tests very useful and agree, for the most part, with their test results. My last three tire purchases have been highly ranked by CR, they are: Firestone Destination LE, Falken Ziex 512 and Michelin LTX M/S, all of which have been great!
Originally Posted By: Button
Nevertheless, Michelin makes excellent tires but in my opinion aren't worth the premium prices when you can get comparable tires for much cheaper.
That certainly hasn't been my experience. $ per mile they've cost me less than any other tire, and they perform better (quieter and better wet weather grip, which are my 2 big considerations).
In my opinion, they're well worth the price.
Nevertheless, Michelin makes excellent tires but in my opinion aren't worth the premium prices when you can get comparable tires for much cheaper.
That certainly hasn't been my experience. $ per mile they've cost me less than any other tire, and they perform better (quieter and better wet weather grip, which are my 2 big considerations).
In my opinion, they're well worth the price.
My HydroEdge are not working correctly, 2/2 replaced under warranty for pulling/pushing the car.
Something is not right.
Something is not right.
My experience with Michelin tires---no balance/pulling/flat spot, etc. issues; Lower rolling resistance for more mpg. They have a reputation for lasting much longer than other tires. They offer rebates frequently. If you rotate & balance every 5,000-7500 miles or so, & keep til they need replacing, they'll likely be much cheaper than other tires.
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