Google’s self-driving car caused its first crash

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Originally Posted By: DBMaster
Cars will evolve into self-driving soon enough. With backup cameras, collision avoidance, and emergency braking being made standard in the coming years it won't be a great leap to get to self-driving.

Feel free to disagree, but SD cars will end up being more evolutionary than revolutionary.


I do disagree, i think the lawyers will sue it out of existence.
you have an accident. The other driver sues you, and the self driving software company, as well as the car manufacturer. Then the car owners lawyer also sues the cars software manufacturer as well.
 
Self drive will be a [censored] of a lot better than human drivers. I can't wait.

Cars driving their drunk owners home will be worth the price of admission all by itself.
 
Originally Posted By: spasm3
Originally Posted By: DBMaster
Cars will evolve into self-driving soon enough. With backup cameras, collision avoidance, and emergency braking being made standard in the coming years it won't be a great leap to get to self-driving.

Feel free to disagree, but SD cars will end up being more evolutionary than revolutionary.


I do disagree, i think the lawyers will sue it out of existence.



I sure hope so. They owe us a solid once in awhile.
 
Have raised it before, and funnily was discussing with a workmate yesterday before this incident.

Down here, if you are driving, and I grab the wheel and jerk it to avoid a 'roo and hit a tree, rending the car unserviceable to the point that it needs towing, the Police must attend.

The driver goes for failing to control the vehicle, I go for failing to control the vehicle (having assumed control of said vehicle when I grabbed the wheel)...if I was over the limit, or had drugs in system, then it's a DWI...for the passenger grabbing the wheel.

Same thing here, another person is in control of the vehicle, be it the person who wrote the logic, or the company that sold the autonomous vehicle.

Who should go to jail after a fatality ?
 
Calling this a "crash" is a bit of an exaggeration. That's like saying a shopping cart dinging your car is a crash.

In any case, this illustrates a shortcoming with these cars: They don't understand defensive driving and anticipation, which good drivers do. The Google car has been in 17 accidents in 1 million miles. Even though 16 of them weren't the car's fault, that rate is very poor and demonstrates incompetent driving skills. This recent accident a good example. Who the h* merges at 2mph? For reference, the average driver has 6 accidents per 1 million miles. And good drivers are even better

Google has a lot of work to do
 
My human brain tells me to always assume the other driver will make the mistake and to take precautionary measures. Driving on public roads is hazardous to your car.
 
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
My human brain tells me to always assume the other driver will make the mistake and to take precautionary measures. Driving on public roads is hazardous to your car.


When if these things penetrate the marketplace, two of them will meet up and wreak havoc when their logic breaks down. Heck, 4 could arrive at a 4-way stop simultaneously and none will show any "leadership" and just gun it.

I'm sure google's lawyers are working on "vetting" their software to pass a state driver's test then they can stand back and defend themselves when sued that, hey, the gov't rubber stamped their robot.
 
Originally Posted By: eljefino
When if these things penetrate the marketplace, two of them will meet up and wreak havoc when their logic breaks down. Heck, 4 could arrive at a 4-way stop simultaneously and none will show any "leadership" and just gun it.

I'm sure google's lawyers are working on "vetting" their software to pass a state driver's test then they can stand back and defend themselves when sued that, hey, the gov't rubber stamped their robot.


LOL!
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Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Originally Posted By: eljefino
When if these things penetrate the marketplace, two of them will meet up and wreak havoc when their logic breaks down. Heck, 4 could arrive at a 4-way stop simultaneously and none will show any "leadership" and just gun it.

I'm sure google's lawyers are working on "vetting" their software to pass a state driver's test then they can stand back and defend themselves when sued that, hey, the gov't rubber stamped their robot.


LOL!
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What's not funny is that I actually see it happening.
 
Well, it'll be too bad if they never arrive. I see more people every day behind the wheel as though their cars were already self-driving. Turn signals on for miles, drifting back and forth, chatting away obliviously. The "progress" I see around here will lead to utter gridlock if things are left the way they are. You can't add enough lanes to a highway to fix stupid.
 
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For reference, the average driver has 6 accidents per 1 million miles. And good drivers are even better
I need supporting document for this. Using those statistics, it is 0.6 accidents every 100K miles or roughly 0.6 accidents every 10 years for average driver. I am having hard time believing this statistics.
 
Originally Posted By: MinamiKotaro
Self drive will be a [censored] of a lot better than human drivers. I can't wait.

Cars driving their drunk owners home will be worth the price of admission all by itself.


The drunks will barf all over the sensors and crash anyway.
 
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Google article with reference to comparison of accident rate of autonomous vs human drivers:
http://www.gizmag.com/google-reveals-lessons-learned-from-self-driving-car-program/37481/

Quote: As a point of comparison to human drivers, based on data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) the rate of accidents with "property damage only" in 2012 was around 0.38 per 100,000 miles (161,000 km) driven – taking into account that 54 percent of property damage accidents aren't even reported. Google has experienced 0.64 accidents per 100,000 miles driven, which is higher than the average.


Small fleet of cars (20+) and a few years of data is probably stretching the statistics of comparison.
 
My hope was that they could start with autonomy on the highway and work up to surface streets.
 
Originally Posted By: MinamiKotaro
Self drive will be a [censored] of a lot better than human drivers. I can't wait.

Cars driving their drunk owners home will be worth the price of admission all by itself.


+1 that would be a great thing....
 
Originally Posted By: DBMaster
Well, it'll be too bad if they never arrive. I see more people every day behind the wheel as though their cars were already self-driving. Turn signals on for miles, drifting back and forth, chatting away obliviously. The "progress" I see around here will lead to utter gridlock if things are left the way they are. You can't add enough lanes to a highway to fix stupid.


The fix for that is to revoke driver's licenses from those who can't drive, and make them take mass transit instead.
 
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: DBMaster
Well, it'll be too bad if they never arrive. I see more people every day behind the wheel as though their cars were already self-driving. Turn signals on for miles, drifting back and forth, chatting away obliviously. The "progress" I see around here will lead to utter gridlock if things are left the way they are. You can't add enough lanes to a highway to fix stupid.


The fix for that is to revoke driver's licenses from those who can't drive, and make them take mass transit instead.


While I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment, that would require actual observation and enforcement. Issuing speeding tickets and red light camera citations isn't going to do the trick. that is, unless "the trick" is gathering revenue.
 
The real problem that they have not even come close to addressing is traffic and road hazards.

If a deer runs out in the middle of the road, is this car going to choose to smash me into a deer, or fling me into a canal if it thinks it can't stop in time? Maybe I'd rather chance the deer than trying to extract myself from my upside down car in a freezing canal?

What does the automated car do about mud, snow, gravel, etc? If it gets stuck, what's it going to do? Just start crying?


What about human knowledge of terrain and areas? Maybe I'd rather be stuck in traffic on the main drag, then take a bypass through a drug-filled ghetto.

But the liability is definitely what is going to kill this thing.

Whoever is doing the programming will be assuming liability for tons of lawsuits every year, and possibly even criminal charges for negligence and negligent homocide.

If a car veers from a collision, but plows through a picnicking family off the road that the car didn't know was in its path of destruction, what happens then?

If the programmers can't figure out that it's in proper to pull it the right-of-way without giving way to another vehicle, what happens making the tough calls that can kill people?

The whole thing is a complete pipe-dream. It's one of those things that can be achieved, but has no way to be implemented.
 
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