Goodyear: Just a name???

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Originally Posted By: Silk
I'm 100km south of Auckland (colder) and it's T shirt weather, but a low system will hit on friday, looks like it will still be here on sunday, you will need warm and rain proof clothing. Auckland is 4 seasons in a day.

Thanks, packed light weather proof jacket and couple sweaters. Even during summer it was quite windy. I've been there in Jan-Feb this year.
 
Originally Posted By: bourne
[And before anyone asks why GY makes OEM tires when they know they wont perform as well, its about money. We live in a capitalist county and everyone likes to make money. OE fitments account for a sizeable chunk of their income and is free publicity ( as proven in the case of our fellow member with the Chevy Cruze, he bought another set of the same GY tires as the ones which came with his car. )



Brand was irrelevant. I happened to be among the Cruze Eco owners who like the OEM tires, and purchased another set because we liked them enough to put our money where our mouths were. They could have been Pirelli, Continental, Michelin, Firestone, or Bridgestone.

Most OEM tires are trash. After having driven many aftermarket tires, I was surprised as anybody else to find myself purchasing another set of OEM tires since they were (at least in my estimation) meeting my needs quite well.
 
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So.......... we are saying it is not just Goodyear that has its share of bad products? That's at least comprehendable.

Someone mentioned the Ford vs Firestone debacle...........

Let's discuss, I myself would purchase Goodyear Eagle HP again in a second. Do they still make that one?

*And would I look for something OTHER than Goodyear? Perhaps. Goodyear and Michelin seem to be the very priciest...

By the way, how many tire failures from Michelin? (bourne this is more @ you since you took the view that "they all have some problems" and got all incredulous that I named Goodyear, with what I feel is its large share of public egg-on-faces, most recently NASCAR. Interested in what you have to say.)\

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Or the current pirelli tires that keep delaminating in F1?


Yes, I also referenced Pirelli as a company that appears to not know how to make tires right, with its 12,000 mile tire lives, etc.

I can't think of any fiascos attributed to Michelin. Firestone? Yes: Ford, 1997 (?) / Bridgestone (confused with Firestone) = bad on BMW as OEM. Goodyear? See above. Pirelli? - YEs, massive dissatisfaction.

Michelin? Can't think of on readily...
 
Originally Posted By: TechnoLoGs
(bourne this is more @ you since you took the view that "they all have some problems" and got all incredulous that I named Goodyear, with what I feel is its large share of public egg-on-faces, most recently NASCAR. Interested in what you have to say.)\



Lol, obviously you didnt read my post carefully, they were the first company that I referenced to. Their tires are deemed unsafe to be allowed over a race distance. Here is an article about it Michelin F1 failure

Originally Posted By: TechnoLoGs
Yes, I also referenced Pirelli as a company that appears to not know how to make tires right, with its 12,000 mile tire lives, etc.



gotcha. Misunderstood your point on Pirelli, sorry. I do hear good things about their new Cinturato P7 tires. Never had any personal experience though.

And no they do not make Eagle HP anymore. They are getting ready to replace the Eagle GT with Eagle Sport All Season.

Info : Eagle Sport All Season Product Details PDF
 
Originally Posted By: TechnoLoGs
Yes, I also referenced Pirelli as a company that appears to not know how to make tires right, with its 12,000 mile tire lives, etc.

Treadwear is one -- of many -- parameters to which a tire is designed; by itself, it is not a measure of merit. There is an inverse, though not linearly inverse, relationship between treadwear and braking traction; if you were to optimize a tire for treadwear alone, it would brake like spit. So most tires are designed for a middle ground, balancing safety against wear.

Originally Posted By: TechnoLoGs
Bridgestone (confused with Firestone) = bad on BMW as OEM.

Bridgestone bought Firestone many years ago; Firestone is not "confused" with Bridgestone; it is a subsidiary of Bridgestone.
 
I had several Goodyear car tires an pickup tires, I was not happy with them tread came off.
Now on Goodyear Truck tires like class 6-7-8 never had any trouble.
Bottom line no Goodyear car or pickup tires for me again.
 
"Yes, your Honor. I have seen Firestone type separations on virtually every brand of tire - including Michelin".

"No, your Honor. The problems Pirelli is having in F1 right now is NOT the same sort of thing as the Firestone problem previously mentioned. The current problem is suitability of a given tread compound to the operating conditions. In some operating conditions, the tread compound is running a little too hot and it delaminates - but this delamination is different than the Firestone type. In the Firestone type delamination, the failure is between the 2 belts."
 
I was under the impression that the final word on the Ford vs. Firestone debacle was that Ford specified too low a tire pressure in trying to allow for the erratic rollover tendencies of the Exploder.

Thus the tires overheated and then blew out.
 
Originally Posted By: CapriRacer
"Yes, your Honor. I have seen Firestone type separations on virtually every brand of tire - including Michelin".

"No, your Honor. The problems Pirelli is having in F1 right now is NOT the same sort of thing as the Firestone problem previously mentioned. The current problem is suitability of a given tread compound to the operating conditions. In some operating conditions, the tread compound is running a little too hot and it delaminates - but this delamination is different than the Firestone type. In the Firestone type delamination, the failure is between the 2 belts."
In what court does the JUDGE question the witness?
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
I was under the impression that the final word on the Ford vs. Firestone debacle was that Ford specified too low a tire pressure in trying to allow for the erratic rollover tendencies of the Exploder.

Thus the tires overheated and then blew out.
Reducing presssure doesn't sound like the way to compensate for a wallowing pig of a truck having bad handling. Seems to me it would make the rear end "looser" as the NASCAR boys say. Isn't handling the reason Ford finally went to (of all things) IRS on these tanks?
 
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Originally Posted By: bourne
Originally Posted By: TechnoLoGs
I love the way the regulars on here call this "borderline trolling" and about 2/3 the rest of the thread say they have had "mostly bad" experiences with Goodyear.

Does anyone remember the race in 2006 or so where the GOODYEAR tires were so bad the race took twice as long? NASCAR I think? It was not "most tires" it was GOODYEAR.

Just sayin.

Probably was getting at that, as a tire, you can do better.. like Pirellis..



Oh yea ? What do you think about Michelin tires given that they weren't even allowed to be used in an F1 race in indy due to failures in practice ? Or the current pirelli tires that keep delaminating in F1? What are your thoughts on the whole Ford Explorer/ Firestone fiasco? Man all those tires must have been secretly built by goodyear right ?


Here's something positive, the first tire to drive on the moon was manufactured by Goodyear.


Every company has good or bad products. Just because one person didn't like one particular product does not mean their entire product line is bad.
There isn't an OUNCE of rubber in the lunar rover tire.
 
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Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
For less money I have always liked Yokohama tires.
All around great tires and very economical mid priced tires.

Yokie used to make good motorbike tires, they sold the business to Shinko which still mnakes good stuff.
 
European Goodyears, given the service they see in Germany in partcular, are pretty good tires, even Bust My Wallet has used them OEM. Here, a tire and bullbleep line for every buyer is the norm. I've had to walk away from a mensa man salesman more than once who tried to sell me a high profit margin (for them ) "Premium" tire. What, pray tell, is a "premium tire". I buy mostly from the internet now. Sam's Club, (and probably Walmart though we don't have a Wally tire store hereabouts) sells BF Goodrich tires which are thinly disguised "last years" Michelins. I've had good luck with their "Touring TA's" The problem is that the actual names and model numbers are specific to the "Buyer Clubs" and info on them from Consumer Reports or Tire Rack is hard to come by. Nevertheless, if you look at the BFG line at Sam's Club you can tell who made them.
 
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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
I was under the impression that the final word on the Ford vs. Firestone debacle was that Ford specified too low a tire pressure in trying to allow for the erratic rollover tendencies of the Exploder.

Thus the tires overheated and then blew out.


This is correct. Ford screwed the pooch with too low of a tire PSI. It was not Firestone's fault.
 
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
There isn't an OUNCE of rubber in the lunar rover tire.



Whats that got to do with the price of sugar in China ? I was referring to the technological prowess of Goodyear.
 
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI


This is correct. Ford screwed the pooch with too low of a tire PSI. It was not Firestone's fault.



So by your logic, everyone who hates Goodyear tires because they didnt like their Goodyear OEM tires should blame the vehicle manufacturer then and not Goodyear right ?

Since the OE tires are designed to vehicle manufacturer spec and all, and since Firestone cannot be blamed for the blow outs that happened on Ford Exploders.
 
Originally Posted By: bourne
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI


This is correct. Ford screwed the pooch with too low of a tire PSI. It was not Firestone's fault.



So by your logic, everyone who hates Goodyear tires because they didnt like their Goodyear OEM tires should blame the vehicle manufacturer then and not Goodyear right ?

Since the OE tires are designed to vehicle manufacturer spec and all, and since Firestone cannot be blamed for the blow outs that happened on Ford Exploders.


No, Ford was having people run their tires too low which caused the problems. It wasn't Firestone's fault. Once they had them bump the PSI up the problem went away. If the same situation were to occur with Goodyear's I would not blame them either.

I don't consder the things I have talked about with the garbage tires I have had from GY being the same thing as the Ford/Firestone issue. That was an error by the car mfg that caused the tires to fail not the tire mfg's error. The GY tires I have had weren't damaged by incorrect PSI settings they just sucked period.

I am not saying only GY makes awful tires( OEM or otherwise ). Every tire mfg has their share of duds. GY just seems to have a LOT more than other tire mfg's IMO and experience. Their OEM tires are by far the worst I have ever had. Their tires in general are way too expensive as well. Just nothing about GY that I can look at that will make me want to buy their product.
 
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Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Originally Posted By: CapriRacer
"Yes, your Honor. I have seen Firestone type separations on virtually every brand of tire - including Michelin".

"No, your Honor. The problems Pirelli is having in F1 right now is NOT the same sort of thing as the Firestone problem previously mentioned. The current problem is suitability of a given tread compound to the operating conditions. In some operating conditions, the tread compound is running a little too hot and it delaminates - but this delamination is different than the Firestone type. In the Firestone type delamination, the failure is between the 2 belts."
In what court does the JUDGE question the witness?


In small claims court.
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
I was under the impression that the final word on the Ford vs. Firestone debacle was that Ford specified too low a tire pressure in trying to allow for the erratic rollover tendencies of the Exploder.

Thus the tires overheated and then blew out.


I go into this in great detail here:

http://www.barrystiretech.com/fordfirestone.html

Short Version: The Firestone tires produced at the Decatur, IL plant had a design problem that was aggravated by the way the plant processed the rubber. While the inflation pressure specified by Ford didn't help matters, it was certain NOT the source of the problem.

Confirmation? The tires were recalled, the vehicle was not.
 
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