Good Article On Glock

[billt460]

Yet another factor you have to consider, if you are going to talk which company is the most financially viable. Is who is going to survive the upcoming gun glut that is occurring as we speak. The election of Trump is going to relax gun sales dramatically, and already has. That's not politics, but rather economic fact. Sales are happening everywhere as demand plummets. Companies are desperately trying to clear out over produced product. Many are laying off employees and closing plants. Remington among them. Glock sales have a worldwide customer base. They are used by the millions in countries worldwide. By both police as well as military forces. Far more than American based gun companies who bet on American consumers. Glock has not bought into any of this.

Companies like Remington, Marlin, along with a lot of S&W's sales are strictly stateside based. After 8 years of panic buying, the American gun buyer is pretty well spent out. Glock will be nowhere near as effected by a U.S. gun glut, than the rest of these companies will. We are truly coming into a case of, "only the strong will survive". While this is great for gun guys like us, it's not so great for a struggling gun company without much cash, and having their rear ends tied to a ton of expensive legal action. I hope they survive. But I wouldn't sleep too good if I had to bet on it.

 

[JDM396]

I find it fascinating that people tie their ego so closely to their gun purchases. Either way, I post real world sales numbers and you post a pic of Gaston's Jet? Got that one up above your bed do ya? Are we moving the goalposts yet again? to private companies? The stock market has been a hobby of mine for years so I'm not sure where you got your assumptions. If you believe being private or public is somehow a measure of success then that's your little secret, there are good and bad examples of both ad nauseam. However, in all fairness, I mentioned Sig Sauer and Springfield too, neither are publicly traded. Ruger, Sig, S&W are definitely more stable. What's the latest on Glock's drama? Is he still running around with a 30ish year old woman after pulling a douche move and cutting out his family..... after a stroke? More power to him but he's not exactly leaving a legacy behind to run the company.

To the rest of the rambling about what will happen for 2017? That's all coulda, shoulda, woulda More power to you and your theories of Glock being the most successful company in all of the world, will probably end up being another little secret. Hate to further validate another red herring....but S&W is doing something right now that Glock hasn't figured out. The rebates on the Shields and few others guns are depleting rising inventories and allowing them to stock up on cash. Quite a bit smarter than anything you're seeing from Glock right now in terms of weathering the storm so to speak. Hint: In tough times you want less inventory, more cash and Glocks aren't flying off the shelves.

Back to the original subject though, Glocks are great, end all be all? Nah... not even close.... not any more.

 

[Robenstein]

Glock is simple, durable, and reliable. For military and Law Enforcement they are also cheap. So they are easy to train on (officers and armorers). Pretty much the same things that have kept the Kalashnikov popular will keep the Glock popular, even though it has been eclipsed in some ways my more recent designs. Add to this that it enjoys an aftermarket rivaling the 1911 and you can see how Gaston is happy to let the design ride for a while with only smaller changes.

I respect the design....don't love it. But I see why others do. I am just more of a Walther man myself. I like them out of the box. Now if I was looking to buy something and then customize it....a Glock would be on the short list. Certainly easier to do much of the work yourself than the old JMB designed hardballer.

 

[billt460]

Originally Posted By: Robenstein
......Glock is simple, durable, and reliable....... Pretty much the same things that have kept the Kalashnikov popular will keep the Glock popular,......


That's how I've always described the Glock. It's the AK-47 of handguns. If I were in an unfriendly place, and could choose one rifle and handgun, it would be a Glock and an AK-47. If I then died it wouldn't be because of inferior weaponry.

 

[Astro14]

7...I couldn't remember how many Glocks I've got...just looked...

It's 7

 

[The_Eric]

I'm not poking the bear here... but honestly- what separates a Glock from say, an M&P? Some minor ergos and a little something here and there? Aren't they both dead reliable? Or is it that the Glock is a better piece? If so, then what makes it that way?

 

[billt460]

Originally Posted By: The_Eric
I'm not poking the bear here... but honestly- what separates a Glock from say, an M&P? Some minor ergos and a little something here and there? Aren't they both dead reliable? Or is it that the Glock is a better piece? If so, then what makes it that way?


The Glock has a much longer, better proven track record. It also has sales figures in the stratosphere. That's convincing enough for most buyers of Polymer pistols. Glock is the one, and always has been the one everybody else is chasing. Love it or hate it, it's the Polymer pistol all others are compared to.

 

[JDM396]

Originally Posted By: The_Eric
I'm not poking the bear here... but honestly- what separates a Glock from say, an M&P? Some minor ergos and a little something here and there? Aren't they both dead reliable? Or is it that the Glock is a better piece? If so, then what makes it that way?


S&W like a few other platforms is a step above in trigger, stock sights, and ergos. The M&P is well established, enough to make a Ford vs Chevy argument anyways.

However, how often do you see an M&P do this?

 

[CarbonSteel]

Originally Posted By: JDM396
Originally Posted By: The_Eric
I'm not poking the bear here... but honestly- what separates a Glock from say, an M&P? Some minor ergos and a little something here and there? Aren't they both dead reliable? Or is it that the Glock is a better piece? If so, then what makes it that way?
S&W like a few other platforms is a step above in trigger, stock sights, and ergos. The M&P is well established, enough to make a Ford vs Chevy argument anyways. However, how often do you see an M&P do this?
Based upon what I surmise to be the cause of those "kabooms" (ammunition issues) I would guess that ANY of them would do it and this is not unique to Glock.

 

[Astro14]

The Glock is slightly more susceptible to the Kaboom than some pistols - because the chamber isn't fully supported. That's why they feed so well, a bit of relief is built in...

They also specifically warn against the use of reloads in a Glock. Accordingly, I NEVER use reloads in any of my Glocks.

It's my understanding that all of the Kabooms in Glocks come from reloaded ammo...are those posted pictures the result of factory ammo? Or reloads?

 

[JDM396]

Originally Posted By: Astro14
The Glock is slightly more susceptible to the Kaboom than some pistols - because the chamber isn't fully supported. That's why they feed so well, a bit of relief is built in...

They also specifically warn against the use of reloads in a Glock. Accordingly, I NEVER use reloads in any of my Glocks.

It's my understanding that all of the Kabooms in Glocks come from reloaded ammo...are those posted pictures the result of factory ammo? Or reloads?


I used to believe that too. Until some boys started posting certain ones with factory ammo. You're right though, XD and M&P had better supported barrels from the get go. However, Glock eventually "upgraded" their barrels I believe.

 

[billt460]

Originally Posted By: JDM396
However, how often do you see an M&P do this?


Originally Posted By: JDM396
I used to believe that too. Until some boys started posting certain ones with factory ammo.


"As a lifelong supporter of Smith & Wesson firearms, I was stunned when my new Shield .40 Smith & Wesson (.40 S&W) exploded in my hand while practicing shooting Sunday Dec. 1, 2013 at my local gun range........ The Shield firearm blew apart sending pieces including my Crimson Trace Laser flying in all directions and very close to my head..... I have read the similar threads concerning .40 Shield kabooms and I am very concerned someone may be seriously injured. Each of the threads depicted different manufacturer's ammo."

http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-pistols/359609-sadly-another-40-shield-kaboom.html

 

[JDM396]

Oh I completely agree on the S&W Shield in .40. They dropped the ball on that one. However pointing the finger elsewhere doesn't negate Glock's issues.

However, the problem is that Glock has had issues with all sorts of their guns going boom. I can google god knows how many more pics..... but what's the point? It was a well known problem with their barrel support and they did nothing about it for years.

Looks like XD didn't follow "perfection" either?

 

[CarbonSteel]

Originally Posted By: Astro14
The Glock is slightly more susceptible to the Kaboom than some pistols - because the chamber isn't fully supported.
I do not think that is the current situation. Even my .40S&W Glocks do not create the old "Glock bulge" as the earlier models did. The use of reloads has more to do with using lead bullets and the polygonal rifling in Glock barrels than reloaded ammunition itself. Over time, if not cleaned, the lead can build up in the rifling and lead to a catastrophic failure. I have shot about 3K in my G19 and nearly all of them have been my handloads, not to mention Freedom Arms ammo and the many other re-manufacturers that many other people use out there with zero issues.

 

[Al]

Originally Posted By: JDM396
What's the latest on Glock's drama? Is he still running around with a 30ish year old woman after pulling a douche move and cutting out his family..... after a stroke?

lol..your hatred goes deep against Glock...jealous aren't we?

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S&W like a few other platforms is a step above in trigger,

Hardly..I doubt anyoner could tell the difference. SAame exact reset and trigger pull within a pound. (in actual practice). And again Glock is a defense/combat pistol...not a target pistol. Any proficcient trainer in that area will tell youy that you wanty a trigger like the glock or shield vs say a Ruger LC9s.(my example only)

 

[billt460]

Originally Posted By: Al
lol..your hatred goes deep against Glock...jealous aren't we?


An older, multi billionaire business magnate marries a young, good looking woman. And this somehow translates into him manufacturing an inferior product. Ya' gotta love it.

 

[JDM396]

Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: JDM396
What's the latest on Glock's drama? Is he still running around with a 30ish year old woman after pulling a douche move and cutting out his family..... after a stroke?

lol..your hatred goes deep against Glock...jealous aren't we?

Quote:
S&W like a few other platforms is a step above in trigger,

Hardly..I doubt anyoner could tell the difference. SAame exact reset and trigger pull within a pound. (in actual practice). And again Glock is a defense/combat pistol...not a target pistol. Any proficcient trainer in that area will tell youy that you wanty a trigger like the glock or shield vs say a Ruger LC9s.(my example only)


Nah, my wife is already younger than me, I love my family and I wouldn't trade places with anyone who's estranged from their family for money. So, I couldn't care less what he does with his life, as I said, more power to him. However in the scope we are talking about... which was financial stability... family drama doesn't bode well for private companies typically. Relative to stable publicly traded and private companies that is.


In terms of not telling the difference in trigger? All I can say is, and I'm not alone in this, is that I could tell a difference stock for stock. I'll have to leave you with the LC9 argument, that's yours. The striker fired triggers I compare glocks to are triggers by Walther, Steyr, FN, H&K, Sig, and now CZ. Granted people can learn to fire a glock with proficiency no doubt, I just have evolved to better trigger platforms. You CAN however get a pretty sweet trigger on a Glock with mods.

 

[JDM396]

Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: Al
lol..your hatred goes deep against Glock...jealous aren't we?


An older, multi billionaire business magnate marries a young, good looking woman. And this somehow translates into him manufacturing an inferior product. Ya' gotta love it.


Actually, I never said that, not even close. You're running through the classic fallacies, now we have Strawman? Reading is fundamental my friend. The financial merit of Glock was your red herring for validation, not mine.

 

[Robenstein]

In the M&P vs Glock comparisson, the M&P (first gen) has a horrible trigger. Not only do they keep with that awful hinged design found first on the Sigma but the reset was awful. They fixed the feel on the 2.0, but stuck with that hinged trigger I hate so much.

Apex made a killing on M&P trigger kits because they were not all that great....just like Glocks. But a Glock had a better reset out of the box. But personally as someone who cut teeth on Walther DA/SA and DA revolver shooting....most semi auto stiker pistols have almost dreamy light triggers in comparison to me. Way easier to shoot than my old P38 or Ruger Police Service Six was.

 

[billt460]

Originally Posted By: Robenstein
In the M&P vs Glock comparisson, the M&P (first gen) has a horrible trigger. Not only do they keep with that awful hinged design found first on the Sigma but the reset was awful.


The Sigma was undoubtedly the biggest POS of a Polymer pistol ever dumped on the American public. The U.A.E. Caracal, along with the Colt All American 2000 were better guns. And that's not saying much.