Green is "extreme duty gun oil"
Gear oil or ATF on guns?
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Triple_Se7en
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Who sells that Extreme Oil or Extreme CLP, which is almost black in color? Wonder what big box stores in the USA sell those?
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Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: Ws6
I've never seen any other oil that "strings" like grease when you move your fingers apart, yet is similar viscosity to Weapon Shield (to relate it to something you have). maybe they are, I dunno, but it seems physically unique to me.
To be perfectly honest, I think they use whatever is laying around, put it into "Lucas Gun Oil" 2 Oz. bottles, and ship it out. I've got 2 bottles of this stuff sitting on the shelf. One is blood red like ATF. The other has a light brown cast to it. Much like most motor oils do. It's painfully obvious they're both different formula's. I'll try to post up a pic of both bottles later on.
What is laying around that strings like grease and pours like WS? That's about how mine does. Never seen those properties in an oil before. The stuff "strings" like red lithium grease.
Originally Posted By: Ws6
I've never seen any other oil that "strings" like grease when you move your fingers apart, yet is similar viscosity to Weapon Shield (to relate it to something you have). maybe they are, I dunno, but it seems physically unique to me.
To be perfectly honest, I think they use whatever is laying around, put it into "Lucas Gun Oil" 2 Oz. bottles, and ship it out. I've got 2 bottles of this stuff sitting on the shelf. One is blood red like ATF. The other has a light brown cast to it. Much like most motor oils do. It's painfully obvious they're both different formula's. I'll try to post up a pic of both bottles later on.
What is laying around that strings like grease and pours like WS? That's about how mine does. Never seen those properties in an oil before. The stuff "strings" like red lithium grease.
The 2 bottles I purchased were from Pep Boys auto parts stores.
Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
Ws6
What G96 are you familiar with? I was looking at the G96 Military Approved Synthetic CLP Gun Oil. Been using Slip 2000EWL. Like trying different brands of top quality.
What was your issue with MPRO7?..... not being a CLP?
I can get a free bottle of it, but prefer purchasing a CLP-type, like the Slip and G96.
As far as I know, there is only one synthetic G96. It is the only other product to pas mil-spec rev "E", aside from the issue CLP.
MPRO7 LPX is good stuff, but I just find that SLIP 2000 EWL stays wet longer, and the weapon wipes clean much easier. MPRO 7 LPX is a CLP, though. It passed all parts of rev "E" except for the testing to destruction of multiple M249's. because that's kindof expensive...
Ws6
What G96 are you familiar with? I was looking at the G96 Military Approved Synthetic CLP Gun Oil. Been using Slip 2000EWL. Like trying different brands of top quality.
What was your issue with MPRO7?..... not being a CLP?
I can get a free bottle of it, but prefer purchasing a CLP-type, like the Slip and G96.
As far as I know, there is only one synthetic G96. It is the only other product to pas mil-spec rev "E", aside from the issue CLP.
MPRO7 LPX is good stuff, but I just find that SLIP 2000 EWL stays wet longer, and the weapon wipes clean much easier. MPRO 7 LPX is a CLP, though. It passed all parts of rev "E" except for the testing to destruction of multiple M249's. because that's kindof expensive...
Originally Posted By: billt460
The 2 bottles I purchased were from Pep Boys auto parts stores.
Yeah, you got the "gun oil". I got the EXTREME DUTY! stuff. Which has been getting great reviews from Frank Proctor, and Bruce Gray at GGI. Both cool guys who shoot a ton. I tried it and do like it, but I think that SLIP 2000 EWL outperforms it for my applications. Frank did shoot 30K rounds or so through his M4 without cleaning or adding lube, using it, though. Impressive!
The 2 bottles I purchased were from Pep Boys auto parts stores.
Yeah, you got the "gun oil". I got the EXTREME DUTY! stuff. Which has been getting great reviews from Frank Proctor, and Bruce Gray at GGI. Both cool guys who shoot a ton. I tried it and do like it, but I think that SLIP 2000 EWL outperforms it for my applications. Frank did shoot 30K rounds or so through his M4 without cleaning or adding lube, using it, though. Impressive!
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Originally Posted By: Ws6
Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: Ws6
I've never seen any other oil that "strings" like grease when you move your fingers apart, yet is similar viscosity to Weapon Shield (to relate it to something you have). maybe they are, I dunno, but it seems physically unique to me.
To be perfectly honest, I think they use whatever is laying around, put it into "Lucas Gun Oil" 2 Oz. bottles, and ship it out. I've got 2 bottles of this stuff sitting on the shelf. One is blood red like ATF. The other has a light brown cast to it. Much like most motor oils do. It's painfully obvious they're both different formula's. I'll try to post up a pic of both bottles later on.
What is laying around that strings like grease and pours like WS? That's about how mine does. Never seen those properties in an oil before. The stuff "strings" like red lithium grease.
I'm not sure what WS pours like, but I did mention earlier chainsaw bar oil, which is "stringy". The regular LOS is the same way due to the tackifier added.
Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: Ws6
I've never seen any other oil that "strings" like grease when you move your fingers apart, yet is similar viscosity to Weapon Shield (to relate it to something you have). maybe they are, I dunno, but it seems physically unique to me.
To be perfectly honest, I think they use whatever is laying around, put it into "Lucas Gun Oil" 2 Oz. bottles, and ship it out. I've got 2 bottles of this stuff sitting on the shelf. One is blood red like ATF. The other has a light brown cast to it. Much like most motor oils do. It's painfully obvious they're both different formula's. I'll try to post up a pic of both bottles later on.
What is laying around that strings like grease and pours like WS? That's about how mine does. Never seen those properties in an oil before. The stuff "strings" like red lithium grease.
I'm not sure what WS pours like, but I did mention earlier chainsaw bar oil, which is "stringy". The regular LOS is the same way due to the tackifier added.
Originally Posted By: Ws6
Yeah, you got the "gun oil".
Which one? The 5 gallons of ATF that was left over from the bottom of the drum, or the motor oil from the case the shipping guy speared with the fork lift?
Yeah, you got the "gun oil".
Which one? The 5 gallons of ATF that was left over from the bottom of the drum, or the motor oil from the case the shipping guy speared with the fork lift?
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Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
Who sells that Extreme Oil or Extreme CLP, which is almost black in color? Wonder what big box stores in the USA sell those?
That product (CLP) is almost entirely Kerosene FWIW.
Who sells that Extreme Oil or Extreme CLP, which is almost black in color? Wonder what big box stores in the USA sell those?
That product (CLP) is almost entirely Kerosene FWIW.
Originally Posted By: Ws6
Dunno what lucas oil you're using, but mine is blue-green and has a tackifier in it unlike any other oil on the market.
Lucas sells an "Oil Stabilizer" that is just that.... Stringy and tacky. In fact, they used to have a little demonstrator type of contraption that had some of it in a clear Lucite box with some gears attached to a crank. One side had plain motor oil in it, the other side had the "Lucas Oil Stabilizer" treated oil. When you cranked the handle the side with the "Oil Stabilizer" in it made stringy strands of lube as you cranked it. Probably the same stuff that was left over. Now of course it's magically become.... "Extreme Gun Oil".
This is the same deal a guy hooked up a power drill to.
Dunno what lucas oil you're using, but mine is blue-green and has a tackifier in it unlike any other oil on the market.
Lucas sells an "Oil Stabilizer" that is just that.... Stringy and tacky. In fact, they used to have a little demonstrator type of contraption that had some of it in a clear Lucite box with some gears attached to a crank. One side had plain motor oil in it, the other side had the "Lucas Oil Stabilizer" treated oil. When you cranked the handle the side with the "Oil Stabilizer" in it made stringy strands of lube as you cranked it. Probably the same stuff that was left over. Now of course it's magically become.... "Extreme Gun Oil".
This is the same deal a guy hooked up a power drill to.
I believe the product is also 25% ZDDP. That's pretty dense add pack.
I think from what we've seen so far, Lucas Oil is getting pretty good at bottling bull$h!t.
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Originally Posted By: Ws6
I believe the product is also 25% ZDDP. That's pretty dense add pack.
Which one? The LOS is actually quite low on ZDDP and would actually reduce the levels found in a normal PCMO.
I believe the product is also 25% ZDDP. That's pretty dense add pack.
Which one? The LOS is actually quite low on ZDDP and would actually reduce the levels found in a normal PCMO.
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Originally Posted By: billt460
I think from what we've seen so far, Lucas Oil is getting pretty good at bottling bull$h!t.
Bingo!
I'm not sure what part of a fully formulated motor oil needs "stabilizing" by the addition of insanely heavy Group I bright stock, red dye and some chainsaw bar lube tackifier tossed in the mix
I think from what we've seen so far, Lucas Oil is getting pretty good at bottling bull$h!t.
Bingo!
I'm not sure what part of a fully formulated motor oil needs "stabilizing" by the addition of insanely heavy Group I bright stock, red dye and some chainsaw bar lube tackifier tossed in the mix
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Ws6
I believe the product is also 25% ZDDP. That's pretty dense add pack.
Which one? The LOS is actually quite low on ZDDP and would actually reduce the levels found in a normal PCMO.
The Extreme oil.
Originally Posted By: Ws6
I believe the product is also 25% ZDDP. That's pretty dense add pack.
Which one? The LOS is actually quite low on ZDDP and would actually reduce the levels found in a normal PCMO.
The Extreme oil.
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Originally Posted By: Ws6
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Ws6
I believe the product is also 25% ZDDP. That's pretty dense add pack.
Which one? The LOS is actually quite low on ZDDP and would actually reduce the levels found in a normal PCMO.
The Extreme oil.
The MSDS shows:
Zinc Alkyldithiophosphate 15%
So yes, it would appear to be 15% ZDDP, which is WELL past the corrosive level of >1500ppm.
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Ws6
I believe the product is also 25% ZDDP. That's pretty dense add pack.
Which one? The LOS is actually quite low on ZDDP and would actually reduce the levels found in a normal PCMO.
The Extreme oil.
The MSDS shows:
Zinc Alkyldithiophosphate 15%
So yes, it would appear to be 15% ZDDP, which is WELL past the corrosive level of >1500ppm.
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
The MSDS shows:
Zinc Alkyldithiophosphate 15%
So yes, it would appear to be 15% ZDDP, which is WELL past the corrosive level of >1500ppm.
Perhaps that's what Lucas meant by "Extreme". Extremely corrosive.
The MSDS shows:
Zinc Alkyldithiophosphate 15%
So yes, it would appear to be 15% ZDDP, which is WELL past the corrosive level of >1500ppm.
Perhaps that's what Lucas meant by "Extreme". Extremely corrosive.
Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
The MSDS shows:
Zinc Alkyldithiophosphate 15%
So yes, it would appear to be 15% ZDDP, which is WELL past the corrosive level of >1500ppm.
Perhaps that's what Lucas meant by "Extreme". Extremely corrosive.
I have not found it to be corrosive either in use, or in "static" testing with saline solution of water on bare steel.
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
The MSDS shows:
Zinc Alkyldithiophosphate 15%
So yes, it would appear to be 15% ZDDP, which is WELL past the corrosive level of >1500ppm.
Perhaps that's what Lucas meant by "Extreme". Extremely corrosive.
I have not found it to be corrosive either in use, or in "static" testing with saline solution of water on bare steel.
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Originally Posted By: Ws6
Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
The MSDS shows:
Zinc Alkyldithiophosphate 15%
So yes, it would appear to be 15% ZDDP, which is WELL past the corrosive level of >1500ppm.
Perhaps that's what Lucas meant by "Extreme". Extremely corrosive.
I have not found it to be corrosive either in use, or in "static" testing with saline solution of water on bare steel.
http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/28714/using-wrong-oil
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ZDDP hydrolyzes into hydrogen sulfide and sulfuric acid. Because water is always a risk in steam turbines, this is a concern.
3. While much less so than EP oil, ZDDP-based anti-wear oil can corrode babbitted surfaces.
4. ZDDP also might interfere with rust and corrosion inhibition.
Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
The MSDS shows:
Zinc Alkyldithiophosphate 15%
So yes, it would appear to be 15% ZDDP, which is WELL past the corrosive level of >1500ppm.
Perhaps that's what Lucas meant by "Extreme". Extremely corrosive.
I have not found it to be corrosive either in use, or in "static" testing with saline solution of water on bare steel.
http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/28714/using-wrong-oil
Quote:
ZDDP hydrolyzes into hydrogen sulfide and sulfuric acid. Because water is always a risk in steam turbines, this is a concern.
3. While much less so than EP oil, ZDDP-based anti-wear oil can corrode babbitted surfaces.
4. ZDDP also might interfere with rust and corrosion inhibition.
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+1...... good post.
Not intended for Doog thou. Not sure how that happened, for I never replied to him.
Pretty sad also, that I couldn't delete my post (after seeing Doog in-reply) within a minute of sending it.
Not intended for Doog thou. Not sure how that happened, for I never replied to him.
Pretty sad also, that I couldn't delete my post (after seeing Doog in-reply) within a minute of sending it.
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