OVERKILL
$100 Site Donor 2021
Yes, but keep in mind these are CAD $, USD it's $3.72 for gas and $0.10/kWh for electricity.
Gasoline price vs electricity price
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Ah yes, that trips me up all the time.
OVERKILL
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US gallons, 3.785412 litres.
We are paying $5.21 US/US gallon in BC. The price @OVERKILL is paying is pretty low by Canadian standards (and ours is very high).
Since some want the "all in", despite the fact the fees, etc... don't change (ie: I pay them regardless of whether I have a gas car or an electric one...)
For me, and likely for many, cherrypicking one month won't tell the story either. We pay more per kWh in the summer months, and also use much more to run central A/C. Thus the "fees" are little in those months, but are much more per kWh in low use months.
On an annualized basis, my electric rate for the last year was 14.66 cents per kWh. Current 87 E10 is 3.26 a gallon average statewide. Ratio is thus 3.26/.1466 = 22.24
For me, and likely for many, cherrypicking one month won't tell the story either. We pay more per kWh in the summer months, and also use much more to run central A/C. Thus the "fees" are little in those months, but are much more per kWh in low use months.
On an annualized basis, my electric rate for the last year was 14.66 cents per kWh. Current 87 E10 is 3.26 a gallon average statewide. Ratio is thus 3.26/.1466 = 22.24
OVERKILL
$100 Site Donor 2021
We pay a delivery fee that actually has two components to it. That is, there's a fixed delivery charge, even if you use 0kWh, but there's also an escalator component, so the charge goes up from the base depending on how many kWh you use. THis is the 2nd largest component of our bills behind the actual rate itself, though if your consumption is very low, the delivery will exceed the actual fee component.
I know some pay a demand charge - ie: a different rate depending on what the maximum use per time period is as well.
In other words, there an infinite # of pricing schemes with varying fixed and escalating components.
Thus why I posted based on my annual all in electricity cost - not on a monthly, which varys wildly.
In other words, there an infinite # of pricing schemes with varying fixed and escalating components.
Thus why I posted based on my annual all in electricity cost - not on a monthly, which varys wildly.
IF I understand correctly your actual payment for electricity was 14.66 kWh averaged over a years time.
I dont think anyone is "cherry picking" rates. I think (though I might be wrong) most in here can figure that out as long as the person is posting what the actual payment is per month, how many kWh that is for and what the stated kWh is.
The "all in" price is the ONLY standard one can use in a place with literally 100s of different utility companies in the USA and Canada. There are no standard fix costs among them. The only intelligent way to know what the power cost per household is to know what the payment is and kWh's used. Of course fix prices vary and that is up to the intelligence of people in a forum to figure out on their own.
But for those that want to compare their costs with others across this country and Canada the actual payment must be transparent.
Your use of the words "cherry pick" suggests an ulterior motive of a competition. Actual payment is the transparent truth so one can compare with their rate..
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Hermann
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The Maverick Hybrid is right at 7¢ per mile. I'm not arguing with the results.
So 37.2 for Overkill, but @ecotourist wins the chicken dinner because BC power's higher tier charge is still only $0.10 US per kWhr for a score of 52.1.
OVERKILL
$100 Site Donor 2021
Yes, and their gasoline is much more expensive than here in Ontario.
If you're in the PG&E area (not the highest pricing in CA), the residential average is $0.38/kWh but rates can vary between $0.26/kWh and $0.54/kWh depending on the type of plan you are on & time of day.
SDG&E has rates between $0.45/kWh & $0.57/kWh
Haven't checked SCE or the larger municipal systems. These rates also are just the base energy rates not including the TAC or sub transmission delivery charges & any taxes.
Side story, my wife's uncle has stated using a public charging station (Nevada) equates to $5.19-$5.30/gallon when converting for his Hummer EV(not sure how he made his calculation). That Hummer will be up for sale shortly
as he's not happy with charging times at home or on the road, range, no heater while charging at a public station, etc...Yep my per kwhr rate is in the dollars per kwhr because my use is low.
So it’s literally meaningless, the only thing that matters is how much more will I spend on electricity adding the amount for EV, in this state it’s a linear amount.
As much as I would love to disconnect fromutilities I can’t legally do so and am thus forced to pay fixed electric fees and taxes even if I use nothing. These fees therefore have nothing to do with EV ownership.
In fact if I used TONs of electricity there are actually plans and incentives that lower my per kwhr rate making the argument for using fixed fees as the calculation even more meaningless
@The Critic did a study of sample size 1 with his friend's plug in hybrid. The electric rate he was on with the gas price he was paying, he would have paid more using electric than gas. This could change if he switch from tiered rate / TOU rate to EV rate and charge mid-night to 6am at lower cost (but his day time cost would increase).If you're in the PG&E area (not the highest pricing in CA), the residential average is $0.38/kWh but rates can vary between $0.26/kWh and $0.54/kWh depending on the type of plan you are on & time of day.
SDG&E has rates between $0.45/kWh & $0.57/kWh
Haven't checked SCE or the larger municipal systems. These rates also are just the base energy rates not including the TAC or sub transmission delivery charges & any taxes.
Side story, my wife's uncle has stated using a public charging station (Nevada) equates to $5.19-$5.30/gallon when converting for his Hummer EV(not sure how he made his calculation). That Hummer will be up for sale shortly
Every car is different obviously. I personally ran my number and sees a lot of uncertainty buying an EV (unknown battery and vehicle reliability, unknown electric price, unknown gas price, unknown depreciation if I sell it used instead of for 25 years then crush it, unknown future need if I rent somewhere without a place to charge, unknown opportunity cost / interest rate had I not spend ahead of time and invest it instead). It can work for a lot of people but you really need to know what you are buying is not a guarantee way to save you money. People don't buy Mercedes and BMW to save money and that's ok, and people should buy EV with the attitude that it is making them happy instead of like a Prius to save them money (even Prius may not be worth it if you don't drive enough to take advantage of the mpg gain).
OVERKILL
$100 Site Donor 2021
Of note, Ontario has an ultra low overnight rate for EV owners of $0.024/kWh, HOWEVER, your peak price during the day jumps up to compensate.
Would you like to do a deal with someone I know mining Ethereum at night in your house? LOL
Again, I use my bill from this month and the kWh price looks high. I use my bill from a few months ago and it looks much lower per kWh when the fixed cost is included.
I view it as it doesn't matter. I pay the fixed fees regardless of what type of vehicle I own. The only piece that changed with my PHEV is my consumption.
The fixed fees are what they are. I pay it with or without the PHEV.
The real metric I care about with my phev is the actual energy cost per mile. As it sits with current gas prices, I pay well less than 6 cents a mile, including gas and electricity.
Agree. As you can see I don't own an EV. Also don't have a car payment & both daily drivers have been dead reliable (knocks on wood). My wife would be one that an EV would make sense for but can't come close to justifying it or even a new ICE vehicle when there have been only fluids, fuel, tires & brakes (once) in >180k miles.
I also work in the electric utility industry & can say for a 100% certainty that when grid updates are made to accommodate high concentrations of EV (and future appliance usage), rates are going to soar. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I'll stick with older ICE vehicles that lack the bells & whistles newer versions have for simplicities(and reliabilities) sake.
I agree and have repeated this regarding kWh, all good.
I can't really read this stuff, but it's so low I could care less. This is like 1 gallon of CA wannabe premium 91* gas... Most of the time I charge the Tesla off peak, but not always. I generally gas up the Tundra at about 1/2 tank because over $60 I start to snivel.
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