Fram Ultra XG9688 Before HPL Cleaner and Post HPL OCI 5200Miles

I don't know anything about possible affects HPL may or may not have had on the Ultra pleating, That said, I do know this is the second such recent' similar' result, ugly pleating, on a current media Ultra at what would be considered a standard oci. The other similar result is posted HERE. No HPL use mentioned on those Ultras.
 
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I've used and cut open about 16 Ultra's in this application so far. The HPL run one was the only one to have wavy pleats. There were no tears. I used an Ultra from my stash for this OCI. I should hit 7500 miles beginning of April. I will cut and post this Ultra and I am going have a UOA done.
 
CR94 said:
Filters aren't likely to tell you much about whether the HPL liberated debris until you wick the excess oil out of "before HPL" and "after HPL" filters so you can better see what's captured in them.
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I wonder if a clean filter is more definitive - I pulled mine at 1200 miles using 25% EC30 and both oil and filter were still amber.
Early indications that motor is clean and it should be other than being a GDI unit … at least places oil reaches …
 
BISCUT said:
I've used and cut open about 16 Ultra's in this application so far. The HPL run one was the only one to have wavy pleats. There were no tears. I used an Ultra from my stash for this OCI. I should hit 7500 miles beginning of April. I will cut and post this Ultra and I am going have a UOA done.
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Post #32 is +/-6k on nothing but QSFS 5W30 … That’s my first since the Fram XG design change and went to UPF63R …
 
4WD said:
Post #32 is +/-6k on nothing but QSFS 5W30 … That’s my first since the Fram XG design change and went to UPF63R …
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I saw. I have a new Ultra on the Outback for this OCI. I'm interested to see how it looks after 7500k miles. How did the UPF63R do? Or is it still in use?
 
BISCUT said:
I saw. I have a new Ultra on the Outback for this OCI. I'm interested to see how it looks after 7500k miles. How did the UPF63R do? Or is it still in use?
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did not cut one - they came from ebay and look like the Mobil 1 tanks when they were twins - I will cut the next …
did a half dozen PF63E’s and all mint …
 
BrendanC said:
fram endurance. same filter as the royal purple and amsoil. unless you can find an old stock titanium at AAP. take a flash light and look down the center tube. you’ll know it it’s an OG if you see the wire/pink media.
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I saw an endurance for the first time couple days ago and I couldn’t see the media at all . It had louvers that looked fine but couldn’t see through to the media.
 
I'll echo the recommendation to wick the media dry with paper towel and spread out the pleats, that'll show you what it captured.

Now that you've run the EC, your next run should be with the oil, if there's anything to liberate, that's what is going to reveal it.
 
ZeeOSix said:
A 20K mile OCI with a low efficiency filter is the opposite direction you should go with. Low efficiency filters are meant for low OCIs.
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That's going to depend on the other variables like vehicle, oil used, & use type. Simply using a Purolator Boss doesn't equal engine damage.
 
fantastic said:
That's going to depend on the other variables like vehicle, oil used, & use type. Simply using a Purolator Boss doesn't equal engine damage.
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It's part of the over-all equation. I'm talking about oil cleanliness, so with all other variables held constant but the oil filter, you'd want a higher efficiency oil filter as the OCI goes up. A lower efficiency oil filter is better for short OCIs instead of long OCIs. Higher efficiency oil filters help keep the oil cleaner throughout a long OCI.
 
ZeeOSix said:
It's part of the over-all equation. I'm talking about oil cleanliness, so with all other variables held constant but the oil filter, you'd want a higher efficiency oil filter as the OCI goes up. A lower efficiency oil filter is better for short OCIs instead of long OCIs. Higher efficiency oil filters help keep the oil cleaner throughout a long OCI.
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Getting off topic here but there's no evidence of a Boss causing engine damage same as any other OEM filters that are designed around the same efficiencies. :)
 
fantastic said:
Getting off topic here but there's no evidence of a Boss causing engine damage same as any other OEM filters that are designed around the same efficiencies. :)
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Who said engine damage? I'm talking about wear over the long haul here. I guess if the engine doesn't "blow-up", everything is working fine. 😄
 
ZeeOSix said:
@BISCUT ... Both look like non-wire backed filters (true?), but one has louvers and the other has holes in the center tube. What are the data codes on each?

The HPL could have had an effect, even though it doesn't look apparent, it could be loaded up more than normal and caused more dP for a longer time period. Also, since the center tube is different I wonder if that could have any effect on how the oil flows past the media - long shot perhaps? Was one ran during colder climate than the other?
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I will grab the codes and reply back.

I try to keep the variables limited but here we are! Tough to do. I really want to see the next filter at 7500 OCI and the accompanying UOA. It's likely been 50k since I've done one.
 
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