Fram PH10575 1yr/10k Kms

[Sayjac]

My post says, "fiber endcap filters", i.e,, filters with fiber endcaps. I've read comments here, that filters with fiber endcaps don't have media tears because the fiber flexes. Clearly in this case, the media tore in three places, no "flex fixing" the media, clear Fail here.

It is true though that the endcaps can warp/flex and also can flex and also be an area of bypass as linked TG3614 Fail shows.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/fram-tough-guard-3614-cut-open-internal-damage.270870/

 

[53' Stude]

Kinda glad I didn’t get two tough guards when returned the Fram “endurance” filters. Here on out it’s CHANP 2835 or MC FL-910S. Motorcraft tears: I’ll just use champ

 

[MParr]

Kinda glad I didn’t get two tough guards when returned the Fram “endurance” filters. Here on out it’s CHANP 2835 or MC FL-910S. Motorcraft tears: I’ll just use champ

Or, Super Tech MP3614
Or, STP S3614
Or, AC Delco PF53
The FRAM TG3614 aren’t that bad.

 

[jetman]

Nothing but Fram XG, FE, & FS oil filters for me.

 

[haggler]

This post is the exception not the norm, but yes there are better filters.

 

[blufeb95]

This post is the exception not the norm, but yes there are better filters.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/fram-tg12060-pleat-collapse-at-5400-miles.363810/
There was a pretty bad looking tg12060 posted not long ago, looks like the high pressure bypass filters in the orange can and the tough guard are a no go now.

 

[haggler]

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/fram-tg12060-pleat-collapse-at-5400-miles.363810/
There was a pretty bad looking tg12060 posted not long ago, looks like the high pressure bypass filters in the orange can and the tough guard are a no go now.

I have seen some extra guard that look worse than that, but never a tear. Supertech is a better option at that price point, if you care to deal with walmart.

 

[fantastic]

Made on date code is the 106th day of 2021.

Thanks! Is this before they started promoting the longer mileage of 10k? Wonder if they made any changes to this line when they did start promoting 10k miles.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Thanks! Is this before they started promoting the longer mileage of 10k? Wonder if they made any changes to this line when they did start promoting 10k miles.

I think the Extra Gaurd (PH series) went from up to 5K to 10K use rating when it got the silicone ADBV, which the OP said this one has.

 

[Furious]

I don't know why FRAM keeps this awful filter design in the Extra Guard and Tough Guard series. And the fact that this filter failed within what it is rated for is a shame. They should really drop the Extra Guard and redesign the Tough Guard maybe base it off of the CHAMP Labs Ecore design with an upgraded filter media to keep the efficency up.

 

[addyguy]

Even after seeing how bad this filter did, the OP used an even CHEPER version of it with Defense ‘white can’!
Only the best for this vehicle???

 

[bullwinkle]

Even after seeing how bad this filter did, the OP used an even CHEPER version of it with Defense ‘white can’!
Only the best for this vehicle???

Some Defense filters are Ecores, let’s hope that’s what he got…

 

[bellavita]

Crapshoot ? This filter held its ground . Using the FRAM XG7317 for the second gen FIT since October (?) . Hope all is well .

I found out within the comments of this video the filter was in use 7 months and it went 10,291 miles and looks good.
The OPs filter was in use 10 months and 6,213 miles and is a mess.

Any thoughts on what would cause this huge variation in product performance?

 

[ZeeOSix]

I found out within the comments of this video the filter was in use 7 months and it went 10,291 miles and looks good.
The OPs filter was in use 10 months and 6,213 miles and is a mess.

Any thoughts on what would cause this huge variation in product performance?

The filter in that video also had some pretty wide pleat spacing - so it also had the potential to fold over and tear media. As mentioned many times, wide pleat spacing is a key factor involved with torn media. The other factors are how weak and brittle the media is, and how much max delta-p events has the fitter seen. In some extreme circumstances, it may also be possible to overwhelm the bypass valve with pump flow - ie, very cold start-ups with thick oil and too high of engine RPM before the oil warms up, and that could cause the dP to rise even higher than the bypass setting can handle.

The OP is in Canada, and signature says running 5W-x0 "frankenbrew" (x = 2, 3, 4 or 5 ... who knows?), so could be a factor as explained above.

 

[blufeb95]

I found out within the comments of this video the filter was in use 7 months and it went 10,291 miles and looks good.
The OPs filter was in use 10 months and 6,213 miles and is a mess.

Any thoughts on what would cause this huge variation in product performance?

OP lives in Canada where it gets very cold and this year has been exceptionally cold and the 10575 and 12060 filters have a bypass valve that requires about twice the differential pressure to activate.

 

[ZeeOSix]

OP lives in Canada where it gets very cold and this year has been exceptionally cold and the 10575 and 12060 filters have a bypass valve that requires about twice the differential pressure to activate.

"Ideally", an oil filter should be able to take the bypass pressure ... but as mentioned above it may be possible to overwhelm the bypass valve and cause even higher dP across the media than what the bypass valve is set to.

 

[GSCJR]

Even after seeing how bad this filter did, the OP used an even CHEPER version of it with Defense ‘white can’!
Only the best for this vehicle???

I haven't seen any failed Defense filters.

 

[GSCJR]

Some Defense filters are Ecores, let’s hope that’s what he got…

I'm pretty sure the Defense I put on was older stock, with the steel center tube.

 

[GSCJR]

The other factors are how weak and brittle the media is, and how much max delta-p events has the fitter seen. In some extreme circumstances, it may also be possible to overwhelm the bypass valve with pump flow - ie, very cold start-ups with thick oil and too high of engine RPM before the oil warms up, and that could cause the dP to rise even higher than the bypass setting can handle.

The OP is in Canada, and signature says running 5W-x0 "frankenbrew" (x = 2, 3, 4 or 5 ... who knows?), so could be a factor as explained above.

The drained oil reeked of fuel, it's a short tripper, so I suggested a 6 month interval on this filter to monitor.

So, what oil and filter went back in and on?

Thank You

Castrol GTX 5w-20

 

[Sayjac]

I'm pretty sure the Defense I put on was older stock, with the steel center tube.

If that's true, then it's likely a Fram made Defense DL with similar to EG construction and a nitrile adbv. The one I saw when I googled the DL10575 showed a Champ made design(likely ecore), identifiable by baseplate with auxiliary outer plate. In any case, I think you are wise to shorten the fci to 6 months for the DL.

As for the cause(s) here, while the cold temps and higher bypass psi may be contributing factors to the fail, 'imo' the primary reason is a lack of media area resulting in wide pleat spacing. That allows for more potential tear areas, points. Basically, the same reason tears seen in other filters. Add more media, tighter uniform pleating, less potential to tear.