Fram Endurance Flashlight Test in canister

[Ronn]

Cut one from your stash up. What model FE do you have?

Sorry not set up for cutting. Besides, even if it fails flashlight test, which I suspect it would, this wouldn’t be conclusive without filter testing. The whole point of my argument is to demonstrate that this “leakage” doesn’t materially effect overall filtering capabilities. I have tried to show other tests here that would imply this, but some here argue that we don’t know if they were “leakers” or not. So we’re at stalemate right now.
My filter is FE9688

 

[ZeeOSix]

Sorry not set up for cutting. Besides, even if it fails flashlight test, which I suspect it would, this wouldn’t be conclusive without filter testing. The whole point of my argument is to demonstrate that this “leakage” doesn’t materially effect overall filtering capabilities. I have tried to show other tests here that would imply this, but some here argue that we don’t know if they were “leakers” or not. So we’re at stalemate right now.
My filter is FE9688

Send it to an ISO 4548-12 test lab with $2000+ to find out. Then have them send it back and you can cut it open and look for internal leak paths.

 

[Ronn]

We do have a shot of a bypass from Fram Endurance that was tested by Brand Ranks
and showed superior filtration. Did it leak?? Sure as hell looks like all those that have failed light test.
Lol….What does your common sense say??

 

[Glenda W.]

We do have a shot of a bypass from Fram Endurance that was tested by Brand Ranks
and showed superior filtration. Did it leak?? Sure as hell looks like all those that have failed light test.
Lol….What does your common sense say??

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Sorry looks good unlike mine.

 

[Pablo]

Nothing from Amsoil so far in response to my inquiry. They say to allow 3 business days. So, hopefully, I will hear back by Tuesday seeing as it is the weekend. When I do, I will share the correspondence here.

Same as me. I get no preference when it comes to filters, hence my squawking about contacting the actual manufacturer.

If nothing Tues.............call, I will be flying to Alaska on Tuesday.

 

[Ronn]

Here’s a Brand Ranks test from a year ago on Royal Purple which is a clone of Fram Endurance. Filter test were very good on filter performance. Same bypass as Fram Endurance.

 

[ltslimjim]

We do have a shot of a bypass from Fram Endurance that was tested by Brand Ranks
and showed superior filtration. Did it leak?? Sure as hell looks like all those that have failed light test.
Lol….What does your common sense say??

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That looks fine. Do you know what the “bad” ones look like? Genuinely curious. See @Glenda W. ’s post

 

[Pablo]

Here’s a Brand Ranks test from a year ago on Royal Purple which is a clone of Fram Endurance. Filter test were very good on filter performance. Same bypass as Fram Endurance.

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Ripples on lip

 

[Ronn]

Fram Endurance FE10575 and Royal Purple clone. 1 year ago.

 

[ZeeOSix]

We do have a shot of a bypass from Fram Endurance that was tested by Brand Ranks
and showed superior filtration. Did it leak?? Sure as hell looks like all those that have failed light test.
Lol….What does your common sense say??

BR didn't actually look for a leak path after testing every filter ... so it's just an assumption the it (or any others) leaked or not. No proof, no conclusion ... that's common sense and logic, not assuming it was a leaker because others show a leak path. And besides, BR only "ranks" the efficiency based on a PC, so I think it would be hard to associate the ranking with any that might be leaking slightly, depending on the leak size.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Ripples on lip

It was made in the Ruffles factory.

 

[Ronn]

That looks fine. Do you know what the “bad” ones look like? Genuinely curious. See @Glenda W. ’s post

Bad Amsoil that failed flashlight test.
They are identical to Fram Endurance for same applications.
Shown below that pic is bypass from Endurance that tested very well, not from equivalent model as Amsoil shown here. No flashlight test on that one though.

 

[Glenda W.]

BR testing well is meaningless. Round and round and round we go. Common sense=don’t use a filter with holes in the base plate. QC is all over the place.

 

[edhackett]

Pablo said:
Ripples on lip

It was made in the Ruffles factory.

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Ribbed for your pleasure.

Ed

 

[Ronn]

Ripples on lip

The Royal Purple filter that the bypass came from filtered very well in the test.
Guess "Ripples" don't matter.

 

[4WD]

Sorry looks good unlike mine.

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JAGS

 

[ZeeOSix]

The Royal Purple filter that the bypass came from filtered very well in the test.
Guess "Ripples" don't matter.

I won't believe the "ranking" testing. I need an official ISO 4548-12 test and a leak path visual inspection after testing each filter. The 'ranking' doesn't say what the actual efficiency is... all you have is a ranking against other filters that could or could not also be leakers.

 

[Ronn]

BR testing well is meaningless. Round and round and round we go. Common sense=don’t use a filter with holes in the base plate. QC is all over the place.

Flashlight tests have NEVER BEEN PERFORMED after a filter test. So... there's speculation all around. Some say the filters that perform well don't have this bypass defect...BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT! Conversely, there are those that claim they DO perform well.... in spite of this "defect".
So it then begs the question...is there some "reasoning" we can apply for a possible "answer" until...... if and when...... a tested filter with this bypass is checked for this particular leak?
IF you can
1) Find filters that tested well AND had essentially the same bypass made during the same time period that the filters with the flashlight leaks also had AND.....
2) Take into consideration that all filters with this bypass design (not older generation samples) which have been subjected to the flashlight test so far, have shown this defect.
These two observations taken together strongly indicate that 1) most, if not all, filters with this bypass will leak to some degree 2) They will still perform well.
Is this pure speculation???....YEP....but for now it's all we have. Of course there is still "no proof" that tested filters with this design will have a bypass leak...because they have never been tested for that. But there are still compelling reasons to think so.
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[Glenda W.]

Flashlight tests have NEVER BEEN PERFORMED after a filter test. So... there's speculation all around. Some say the filters that perform well don't have this bypass defect...BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT! Conversely, there are those that claim they DO perform well.... in spite of this "defect".
So it then begs the question...is there some "reasoning" we can apply for a possible "answer" until...... if and when...... a tested filter with this bypass is checked for this particular leak?
IF you can
1) Find filters that tested well AND had essentially the same bypass made during the same time period that the filters with the flashlight leaks also had AND.....
2) Take into consideration that all filters with this bypass design (not older generation samples) which have been subjected to the flashlight test so far, have shown this defect.
These two observations taken together strongly indicate that 1) most, if not all, filters with this bypass will leak to some degree 2) They will still perform well.
Is this pure speculation???....YEP....but for now it's all we have. Of course there is still "no proof" that tested filters with this design will have a bypass leak...because they have never been tested for that. But there are still compelling reasons to think so.
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It’s so much easier to just use a different filter isn’t it?

 

[Ronn]

It’s so much easier to just use a different filter isn’t it?

Well

It’s so much easier to just use a different filter isn’t it?

Yeah
If you
1) really think all Independent test results and ISO are Irrelevant and flashlight test results are more important .
2) think all the filters successfully tested with this bypass did not leak..but current ones do
3) Any leakage around bypass, no matter how small has significant impact on filter performance
4) Fram top line models …along with several other brands like Amsoil and Royal Purple are now inferior and risky.
5) The companies that make them are making false claims and open to litigation