Fram Endurance Flashlight Test in canister

[Glenda W.]

Well

Yeah
If you
1) really think all Independent test results and ISO are Irrelevant and flashlight test results are more important .
2) think all the filters successfully tested with this bypass did not leak..but current ones do
3) Any leakage around bypass, no matter how small has significant impact on filter performance
4) Fram top line models …along with several other brands like Amsoil and Royal Purple are now inferior and risky.
5) The companies that make them are making false claims and open to litigation

How about supporting a product that cares about craftsmanship, consistency, quality, and not being sloppy? You know where work like this leads….failures. In the end this is a defect. It’s a simple choice to not use a defective product that’s not oil tight where it should be.

And not support a project farm wannabe who also ranks electrical tape and stud finders…..

 

[cptbarkey]

Sorry not set up for cutting.

You have been commenting alot. Join the party. Cheap cutters are readily available on Amazon, or angle grinder.

 

[Glenda W.]

You have been commenting alot. Join the party. Cheap cutters are readily available on Amazon, or angle grinder.

Or a hacksaw….

My mother told me there were two types of people in this world, givers and takers.

 

[Ronn]

You have been commenting alot. Join the party. Cheap cutters are readily available on Amazon, or angle grinder.

Ok…
But Like I said it really won’t accomplish anything as far as I’m concerned. The creator of this thread already demonstrated a recently manufactured Fram has the defect, so I would fully expect to find a very small space under the bypass. However, it still would need to be properly TESTED for filtration capability!
If there is no space detected, then critics of this Fram design will say that essentially ..…”I got Lucky”….It’s only one filter. So….WHY BOTHER? It’s an exercise in futility.

 

[4WD]

Or a hacksaw….

My mother told me there were two types of people in this world, givers and takers.

Once you have kids - you know your place on that

 

[4WD]

One thing for certain with metal to metal seals is they have to be smooth and precise + requiring resistance to separation …
That can’t happen on some of these …
And once again - the cutters it !!!

 

[cptbarkey]

Ok…
But Like I said it really won’t accomplish anything as far as I’m concerned. I would fully expect to find a very small space under the bypass, however, it still would need to be properly TESTED for filtration capability.
If there is no space detected, then critics of this Fram design will say that essentially ..…”I got Lucky”….It’s only one filter. So….WHY BOTHER? It’s an exercise in futility.

Ok. Here you go.

https://a.co/d/1osrdCv

 

[Ronn]

Ok. Here you go.

https://a.co/d/1osrdCv

Lol ….I don’t have Prime , so about $40 out the door plus a $12 filter…, wasted money. What will it prove? That another filter has a minute space under its bypass? And if it doesn’t… the score is now “EVEN” with the results shown at the start here.

 

[Ronn]

How about supporting a product that cares about craftsmanship, consistency, quality, and not being sloppy? You know where work like this leads….failures. In the end this is a defect. It’s a simple choice to not use a defective product that’s not oil tight where it should be.

And not support a project farm wannabe who also ranks electrical tape and stud finders…..

Lol
How about I’ve got one of the best PERFORMING filters in the market in my car right now and I will continue to use it?

. .
“You like potato and I like potahto
You like tomato and I like tomahto
Potato, potahto, Tomato, tomahto.”

 

[cptbarkey]

Lol ….I don’t have Prime , so about $40 out the door plus a $12 filter…, wasted money. What will it prove? That another filter has a minute space under its bypass? And if it doesn’t… the score is now “EVEN” with the results shown at the start here.

Not sure, keep posting i guess.

 

[Glenda W.]

Lol
How about I’ve got one of the best PERFORMING filters in the market in my car right now and I will continue to use it?

. .
“You like potato and I like potahto
You like tomato and I like tomahto
Potato, potahto, Tomato, tomahto.”

Sometimes ignorance is bliss. I know I would at least want to know if my model has the suspect bypass design. The iso tested ones don’t. My 7317 obviously does which was not iso tested.

 

[Ronn]

Sometimes ignorance is bliss. I know I would at least want to know if my model has the suspect bypass design. The iso tested ones don’t. My 7317 obviously does which was not iso tested.

“GAPS”……aren’t always a bad thing!!

 

[Glenda W.]

“GAPS”……aren’t always bad!

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They certainly are in an area meant to be sealed.

Would you run an air filter with a gap in it?

They’re iso tested….and project farm tested to boot.

 

[Ronn]

They certainly are in an area meant to be sealed.

Would you run an air filter with a gap in it?

They’re iso tested….and project farm tested to boot.

Hmmmm
Let me think of an appropriate analogy!!
You’re not supposed to do this…however…let’s pose a question…

Should you pee in a public pool and would you swim in said pool if you thought one person in that pool did so?

“Yes, Olympic swimmers urinate in the pool. Some say it's a common practice and that swimmers should accept it as part of swimming. “

 

[Glenda W.]

Hmmmm
Let me think of an appropriate analogy!!
Should you pee in a public pool and would you swim in said pool if you thought one person in that pool did so?

“Yes, Olympic swimmers urinate in the pool. Some say it's a common practice and that swimmers should accept it as part of swimming. “

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You’ve “gone off the deep end”. Your done here credibility wise. Enjoy your swim.

 

[Ronn]

You’ve “gone off the deep end”. Your done here credibility wise. Enjoy your swim.

Haha
We’ll I just think significance of the bypass oil in this instance as the “PEE”, thus….much ado about nothing. Why is this not a “credible notion”? After all, it’s what I’ve clamoring about all along

 

[Ronn]

Hmmmm
Let me think of an appropriate analogy!!
You’re not supposed to do this…however…let’s pose a question…

Should you pee in a public pool and would you swim in said pool if you thought one person in that pool did so?

“Yes, Olympic swimmers urinate in the pool. Some say it's a common practice and that swimmers should accept it as part of swimming. “

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Interesting fact!
“On average, swimmers contribute between 100 and 200 milliliters of urine per swim workout. If there are 200 swimmers in a pool at one time, that means there could be over 100 gallons of urine in the pool. “
Seems like a lot!! But….
There’s an average of 660,000 gallons of water in average Olympic size pool!!
So the concentration of urine is a minuscule .015%.
This entire bypass saga boils down to a matter proportionality and practicality.
A defect that in this case, albeit a reflection of an imperfection, is not materially significant in comparison to the overall established superiority of the FUNCTIONING filter.

 

[cptbarkey]

Interesting fact!
“On average, swimmers contribute between 100 and 200 milliliters of urine per swim workout. If there are 200 swimmers in a pool at one time, that means there could be over 100 gallons of urine in the pool. “
Seems like a lot!! But….
There’s an average of 660,000 gallons of water in average Olympic size pool!!
So the concentration of urine is a minuscule .015%.
This entire bypass saga boils down to a matter proportionality and practicality.
A defect that in this case, albeit a reflection of an imperfection, is not materially significant in comparison to the overall established superiority of the FUNCTIONING filter.

Informative, thank you

 

[Glenda W.]

They certainly are in an area meant to be sealed.

Would you run an air filter with a gap in it?

They’re iso tested….and project farm tested to boot.

The correct answer is no. You wouldn’t run an air filter with a gap in it even though the company iso tested and project farm gave his blessing….

On a side note I’d appreciate it if you guys didn’t urinate in my pool. The grandkids even know better…also don’t pee in your shorts riding a bike, the after rash isn’t worth it.

 

[4WD]

They certainly are in an area meant to be sealed.

Would you run an air filter with a gap in it?

They’re iso tested….and project farm tested to boot.

Yep, the dP is inside all of the can - and it does not take much pressure to divert flow around a restricted area (media).
Therefore, this fraction in inches might help make your point if one assumes a filter has a high efficiency cut of 20 microns …