Fram Endurance Flashlight Test in canister

[Ronn]

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From 8:15-8:17 time stamp in the above Brand Ranks video, it shows the bypass valves between the Amsoil and the FE. Can anyone make out if it appears to have the defect or is a light test still required? I’m not the best at eyeballing.

Haha
Careful, you could be accused of “Beating a Dead Horse”
No, this video isn’t going to satisfy the hard core “Flashlight” skeptics because there’s no way to confirm that the filters in this test with identical bypass valves (Amsoil and K&N) and same as Endurance and Royal Purple….had gap defects at the time

 

[ltslimjim]

Yeah the ones no one mentioned to the filter manufacturer.

I sent Amsoil a technical question through the website portal and I linked the video since it’s the filter model I purchased. I explained I wasn’t confident in using them until I could get reassurance that this apparent common flaw wasn’t actually a flaw of some kind; and to get their thoughts; if they were even aware, etc. I’ll see what they get back to me with.

 

[ZeeOSix]

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From 8:15-8:17 time stamp in the above Brand Ranks video, it shows the bypass valves between the Amsoil and the FE. Can anyone make out if it appears to have the defect or is a light test still required? I’m not the best at eyeballing.

It looks pretty flat and smooth to me. Need to look on a bigger screen. So that could be the same level of stamping quality as the Endurance shown in the Whip City video.

 

[ltslimjim]

It looks pretty flat and smooth to me. Need to look on a bigger screen. So that could be same level of stamping quality as the Endurance shown in the Whip City video.

Yeah, it looks pretty good in the video on my phone in 4K, but who knows what production dates they used for their tests; even if we could verify those did not have the issue…which points to the fact said prior: this may be an emerging issue and older stock didn’t have the flaw. Not hard to follow the logic.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Yeah the ones no one mentioned to the filter manufacturer.

Inquires are starting to go out. Gotta beat the horse to a pulp first, lol.

 

[Pablo]

I sent Amsoil a technical question through the website portal and I linked the video since it’s the filter model I purchased. I explained I wasn’t confident in using them until I could get reassurance that this apparent common flaw wasn’t actually a flaw of some kind; and to get their thoughts; if they were even aware, etc. I’ll see what they get back to me with.

I did the same. I wasn’t talking about you. I thank you for alerting me!

Just all these instances and all this gripeing yet nothing to Frsm that is posted is a bit humorous

 

[ZeeOSix]

Yeah, it looks pretty good in the video on my phone in 4K, but who knows what production dates they used for their tests; even if we could verify those did not have the issue…which points to the fact said prior: this may be an emerging issue and older stock didn’t have the flaw. Not hard to follow the logic.

It could also be filter model specific to some degree. Different stamping machines making different sized leaf springs.

 

[ltslimjim]

It could also be filter model specific to some degree. Different stamping machines making different sized leaf springs.

Good point. Depends where the QA QC failure point has let them through to production.

 

[Ronn]

This all can be put to rest with the test shown in the video and post test autopsy. DONE!
I’ll wager any Filter they pick with this design will show the gaps.
This will turn out to be a >>>>
A nothing burger

 

[Ronn]

Good point. Depends where the QA QC failure point has let them through to production.

From all the tear downs I’ve seen so far, I’ll wager that a “ No Gap” scenario is the EXCEPTION rather than the rule.

 

[garageman402]

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From 8:15-8:17 time stamp in the above Brand Ranks video, it shows the bypass valves between the Amsoil and the FE. Can anyone make out if it appears to have the defect or is a light test still required? I’m not the best at eyeballing.

These leaf springs look good as far as a smooth mating surface, but it's cut too close for comfort. If this was equipped with a gasket I'd feel comfortable, but the very small amount of metal on that mating service doesn't look good. I'd venture to guess this might not even pass the flashlight test, but it really doesn't have to have a lot of metal touching, just a solid seal.
I don't know what size these were (I think they were the common FE10575/EaO17), I also have two (one each FE & EaO) in that size & the bypass valve is orange on both of them. Maybe the change to that valve was also accompanied by the ratty spring finish.

 

[Ronn]

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From 8:15-8:17 time stamp in the above Brand Ranks video, it shows the bypass valves between the Amsoil and the FE. Can anyone make out if it appears to have the defect or is a light test still required? I’m not the best at eyeballing.

Ok
These are shots of Endurance Bypass valves . One from the video that showed great Filtration test results and a close up of Endurance Bypass from another that failed flashlight test. Above is from filtration test that you posted and below flashlight failure from another video.
They may not be from the same models.

 

[Ronn]

Chiefs win by a TOE! Love it!!!

 

[ZeeOSix]

You want to see a really ratty leaf spring stamping, all ripply where it's supposed to seal on the end cap. SuperTech, which isn't known for very high efficiency.

 

[Glenda W.]

Good find @ltslimjim!! Most likely non leaker in BR test.

To me the BR video leaf spring(top)looks much better than mine(bottom two).

 

[Glenda W.]

It could also be filter model specific to some degree. Different stamping machines making different sized leaf springs.

Yes. Just here we’ve seen at least two different variations supporting the possibility that not all are leakers.

 

[Sayjac]

It's pretty clear 'to me' that the vast majority reading my FE7317 c&p thread and this one have now "seen the light" literally and figuratively. Figuratively meaning, those wise folks know what it means, areas of dirty (upstream) oil bypass on Champ Labs designed metal to metal seal areas. Repeating, imo one should expect better, but especially so on "premium" filters like FE.

I wanted to add, having found the same light seen result on post use c&p of Super Tech MP7317, there is one noticeable difference in the design of the seal areas to topic FE. The "nubs" that hold bypass piece on the ST MP are on the bypass, not on the endcap like topic. Again though, same result.

 

[Ronn]

Good find @ltslimjim!! Most likely non leaker in BR test.

To me the BR video leaf spring(top)looks much better than mine(bottom two).

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Ok, but about this Endurance I just showed that failed light test??? Looks pretty good?

 

[Ronn]

Yes. Just here we’ve seen at least two different variations supporting the possibility that not all are leakers.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but as far as I know, no one has shown a CURRENT model (now in production) with this design that does not show gaps.

 

[Glenda W.]

Ok, but about this Endurance I just showed that failed light test??? Looks pretty good?

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This one appears to have a different or beginnings of a defect. What’s the date code?