Fram Endurance Flashlight Test in canister

I don't have time to read the whole thread. Not sure I will have time right now.

I saw the video. It is interesting. BUT Just shining a light through filter from the inside does not mean unfiltered oil leaks through from the outside. I am not saying it doesn't, I'm just asking has anyone proven this with oil flow?

Its potentially serious imo. I'm currently in the middle of a landscaping project, but I may cut open a large FE3976A over the weekend while trying to keep the spring intact and publish my own black magic test. Actually, it may be moot because if it doesn't have a spring. idk. Yeah, nm, it doesnt. Back to landscaping black magic...
 
I don't have time to read the whole thread. Not sure I will have time right now.

I saw the video. It is interesting. BUT Just shining a light through filter from the inside does not mean unfiltered oil leaks through from the outside. I am not saying it doesn't, I'm just asking has anyone proven this with oil flow?
Pablo
Just my 2 cents, but there was test done last Dec by independent source (not ISO) that indicated superior filtration for both Amsoil and Endurance models. They do appear to be essentially same filters in all respects. Royal Purple filters are also identical as well.
There is absolutely no test so far, ISO or independent, that indicates diminished filtration in these filters…NONE. The question as to whether these small gaps under the bypass valves are a problem is pure speculation at this point. It appears any amount of bypass leakage in this instance would not be enough to impact
overall filtration and probably couldn’t even be quantified in testing.
Because this issue hasn’t been fully addressed by the various companies with this Bypass design, we see people reacting like this even to the point of pulling these filters out and returning the stock on hand….what I deem “hysteria” if you will.
Having said all this, it does appear that there is a flaw in the way these valves are seated in the leaf spring plates…..resulting in these tiny gaps between the plate and filter end caps.
Personally, I have full confidence in the Fram Endurance on my car and will continue to use them. I suspect many of your Amsoil customers will do the same, but you should be aware of this issue nonetheless.
 
I don't have time to read the whole thread. Not sure I will have time right now.

I saw the video. It is interesting. BUT Just shining a light through filter from the inside does not mean unfiltered oil leaks through from the outside. I am not saying it doesn't, I'm just asking has anyone proven this with oil flow?
Well, the OP of this thread (@Glenda W.) poured drops of oil over it, & there was oil flow into the filter with just gravity
 
Well, the OP of this thread (@Glenda W.) poured drops of oil over it, & there was oil flow into the filter with just gravity
Yep. If mere gravity lets oil through, it’s unknown the extent the passing of unfiltered oil. Past ISO testing means little if the problem or flaw developed since then. No way to know. Why risk it with blind trust of a past test? I don’t need to defend a company here. I’m interested in a sound product. One wouldn’t run an oil filter with media tears. How is this different? In practice, most oil may pass through the media, but any that make its way to the dome end of the canister will undoubtedly pass through the path of least resistance.
 
Yep. If mere gravity lets oil through, it’s unknown the extent the passing of unfiltered oil. Past ISO testing means little if the problem or flaw developed since then. No way to know. Why risk it with blind trust of a past test? I don’t need to defend a company here. I’m interested in a sound product. One wouldn’t run an oil filter with media tears. How is this different? In practice, most oil may pass through the media, but any that make its way to the dome end of the canister will undoubtedly pass through the path of least resistance.
Any bypass that leaks through is still going to get filtered. The filter is fully functioning still.
There was Independent testing done 8 months that indicates superior filtration.
However, people here aren’t convinced that those had this defect. We know that the defect existed earlier last year though. My “Logic” tells me the filters tested (Endurance and Amsoil) had them at the time😉. So the controversy remains “alive and well”.
 
Past ISO testing means little if the problem or flaw developed since then. No way to know.
True ... and as I pointed out in the Whip City video that showed the Endurance shortly after it first came out, the leaf spring design and stamping was really well done on that one. Not so much today with examples seen here.
 
I did see that and looking at the formed metal I don't how oil pressure could seal it.

BUT it should be tested under PRESSURE.
Oil pressure (the dP) inside the filter isn't going to change the air gap at the leaf spring to end cap interface.
 
I think he's saying oil pressure might help close it, much like a stopper in a bathtub?
It won't ... the dP would only be a few PSI. It's been shown that putting lots of force on the leaf spring ears doesn't change the gap. Like said, the leaf spring is way too stiff in the area where it contacts the end cap for force on the leaf spring ears to effect. The ears will most likely permanently deform before the force on them closes the gap around the center tube. The interface between the end cap and leaf spring needs to be flat and smooth on both the leaf spring and end cap for a successful metal-on-metal seal.
 
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Any bypass that leaks through is still going to get filtered. The filter is fully functioning still.
There was Independent testing done 8 months that indicates superior filtration.
However, people here aren’t convinced that those had this defect. We know that the defect existed earlier last year though. My “Logic” tells me the filters tested (Endurance and Amsoil) had them at the time😉. So the controversy remains “alive and well”.
You don't know the condition of the filters that were officially ISO tested way back when ... when the Endurance leaf spring looked well done as shown in the Whip City video. As far as the "independent testing" ... grain of salt and not official enough to know. Besides, BR didn't tear the filters open and look for leak gaps, so not verified one way of the other.
 
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