food stamps

[Cutehumor]

Originally Posted By: Pablo
She has grandchildren to feed?? Let's get involved and fix that as well.

Maybe an old woman who actually owns a home, but low/no income needs foodstamps? Guy who lost his job needs to feed a family?


I can see how it could get abused. Someone with 100k in the bank getting food stamps because they got laid off from work. I believe the loophole was not taking into account their financial assets. They said the Federal Government no longer required the states to check for assets, but income only. Since their current income was $0, they qualified for the food stamps. Just another example of the Federal government messing everything up. Now onto Healthcare!

 

[Gary Allan]

Originally Posted By: msparks

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..but I doubt that anyone wants to trade places with anyone using or abusing the system. The sad part about it is that when a legit hard luck person shows up and needs those benefits, the barricades are substantial for the little help that they need. Meanwhile, the cultural lifestyle types are masters of seeing right through usage inhibitors built into the bureaucracy.


I'm guessing that Legit Hard Luck people don't go on assistance. They buckle down, cancel their cell phone, sell their car, move to lower rent, move in with friends, work 3 jobs, sell [censored] they don't need and make it work.



Exactly. The system works as intended for legit people. It's easier for the functional to exhaust every other avenue of resources before resorting to public services.

 

[smokey1]

not everyone lives in an area where 3 part time jobs are available . Gotta be in some people's shoes to walk their life . This country is becoming more divided and less tolerant to others day by day . It's a shame .

 

[Gary Allan]

There are legit reasons for people to be on food stamps/access cards. Some legit ..some not. We've got a lot of challenges to balance our views since we're obviously bias due to our own performance within the society and we rarely think of the alternatives of NOT doing something. We only look at how it frustrates us. There are no solutions in most things. There are only exchanges of unfavorable problems for more favorable problems. That fact has never ever changed.

 

[msparks]

Originally Posted By: smokey1
not everyone lives in an area where 3 part time jobs are available . Gotta be in some people's shoes to walk their life . This country is becoming more divided and less tolerant to others day by day . It's a shame .

Good thing about America is that you can pick up and move your locations with ease. Heck they did it 200 years ago, at least you don't have to 2 3 months on a wagon to get to california (in today's LEAVE California)

Give me a break. If the grass looks greener somewhere, move there.

 

[smokey1]

that's silliest thing I've ever heard

. Not so easy to sell your home or get out of a lease to move to greener pasture . MOOOOOO !

 

[oilyriser]

In Ontario, renters can pack up and leave with, either 30 or 60 days notice (I can't remember), regardless of lease. This is set by law.

 

[brianl703]

Originally Posted By: smokey1
that's silliest thing I've ever heard

. Not so easy to sell your home or get out of a lease to move to greener pasture . MOOOOOO !

As a landlord, I'd rather my tenant break the lease and move out than to stop paying rent and make me evict them.

 

[Gary Allan]

Originally Posted By: smokey1
that's silliest thing I've ever heard

. Not so easy to sell your home or get out of a lease to move to greener pasture . MOOOOOO !

We're talking about alternatives to welfare in its various forms. If you own a home, while you may qualify for public assistance, here they will put a lean on your home for the amount of services received.

If one was in such dire straights, selling the home may be necessary. At that point, you're liberated to go where the money is. There are sacrifices (kids in mid year in school or whatnot). There may be major adjustments to lifestyle and some life goals to realign when taking current conditions into account.

..but what do you do when you run out of gas?

 

[oilyriser]

sell a kidney

 

[mpvue]

people get on welfare because it's available. if it wasn't, they would have to find other solutions.
someone mentioned 'walking in another's shoes'; that's true. it's easy to say 'they can cancel the cell phone or move' but it might not be possible/practical.
for instance, cell phone company charge $175 to end contract, well it makes sense to keep it, it might help you find a job. moving, many rentals charge you the remaining months on a contract anyway if you want to break it. THEN, a new apt wants 3 months security pymnt to move in, AND might not rent to you because you are unemployed.
just saying, everyone has a different situation, and you cannot posibly know what that is for them.

 

[labman]

Anybody reading the minimum wage thread? What are the people their employer don't find worth $7.25/hr going to eat now?

 

[msparks]

Originally Posted By: smokey1
that's silliest thing I've ever heard

. Not so easy to sell your home or get out of a lease to move to greener pasture . MOOOOOO !

Rent out your house if it won't sell, then you are free to move.

 

[CivicFan]

Originally Posted By: labman
Anybody reading the minimum wage thread? What are the people their employer don't find worth $7.25/hr going to eat now?


What do you mean?

 

[smokey1]

this thread shows the true colors of so many . I pity those who are not understanding of others plights .

 

[labman]

Originally Posted By: CivicFan
Originally Posted By: labman
Anybody reading the minimum wage thread? What are the people their employer don't find worth $7.25/hr going to eat now?


What do you mean?


When the minimum goes up, some employers will eliminate jobs. The former workers still will need to eat somehow.

 

[smokey1]

isn't there a recession going on ? Wasn't public assistance contrived due to the great depression with all the suffering of the people ? Or for the elderly on a fixed income with rising costs for rent , taxes , food , heating oil , electric bill , etc. ? Unemployment could hit 11% by the end of the year . There are so many scenarios why assistance is needed today . Have some mercy .

 

[tenderloin]

smokey1 For me it is not people in need, but the non needy people "gettin their benefits" for a long time.

Here in Southern California we have people waiting 5 years or more to get on what was once called section 8 housing. Now many of these are healthy, mentally sound (except lazy) people. 5 years is plenty of time for most to get additional education, training etc. to better their lot in life and financial situation..heck some is even paid for by the state as is baby sitting and travel reimbursement. But NOOOO.....

Also many states have two years welfare. In California that is extended out to 5 years....sometimes even more...PLUS even if the parent(s) are cut off because of time or other reasons, CalWorks pays the children until they are 18 years of age! Now you know minors cannot get checks, so who really gets paid? Of course, the parent(s)

Now if one spreads out 4 or 5 children a parent could draw CalWorks(welfare)payments for well over 20 years...which many do.

 

[CivicFan]

Originally Posted By: labman
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
Originally Posted By: labman
Anybody reading the minimum wage thread? What are the people their employer don't find worth $7.25/hr going to eat now?


What do you mean?


When the minimum goes up, some employers will eliminate jobs. The former workers still will need to eat somehow.


So that's what "What are the people their employer don't find worth $7.25/hr going to eat now" meant...

 

[mpvue]

Originally Posted By: tenderloin
smokey1 For me it is not people in need, but the non needy people "gettin their benefits" for a long time.

Here in Southern California we have people waiting 5 years or more to get on what was once called section 8 housing. Now many of these are healthy, mentally sound (except lazy) people. 5 years is plenty of time for most to get additional education, training etc. to better their lot in life and financial situation..heck some is even paid for by the state as is baby sitting and travel reimbursement. But NOOOO.....

Also many states have two years welfare. In California that is extended out to 5 years....sometimes even more...PLUS even if the parent(s) are cut off because of time or other reasons, CalWorks pays the children until they are 18 years of age! Now you know minors cannot get checks, so who really gets paid? Of course, the parent(s)

Now if one spreads out 4 or 5 children a parent could draw CalWorks(welfare)payments for well over 20 years...which many do.

how many jobs were lost last year? 6 million? quite a bit. just getting training will not help everyone. lots of people w/ degrees are out of work. just because someone is 'healthy' doesn't mean there is a job available for him; reality isn't as convenient as slapping a 'lazy' label on them.