As the old saying goes, You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
Seems to apply here as well.
Seems to apply here as well.
Flu season this year
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Originally Posted By: asiancivicmaniac
Originally Posted By: wsar10
EXACTLY....
this is a VERY good point that slipped my mind in previous posts, nobody dies from the FLU, its what they get from having a weekend immune system DURING the FLU.
People do die from having the flu. When you get the flu, the body responds by producing factors that attack the virus. This immune response is called a cytokine storm, which is one of the contributors to making someone with the flu feel tired. Cytokines are non-specific in what they target and are also bad for the body's own cells. If cytokines are in high enough levels, they could lead to death from tissue damage.
Ok,
I guess I can't say NOBODY dies from the FLU.......
I would like to find the statistics on FLU deaths that stand alone, I would bet its not many.
A Cytokine storm happens (via Wiki) EVERYTIME a pathogen enters your body, I would be willing to bet that as you type your response "pathogens" are entering your body, every-time you step outside, have a common cold etc etc etc.....
but again in the definition YOU linked to it states its a "probable" (possible) cause of death, not proven. but you can DEFENITLY prove XX number of deaths caused by vaccines.
Originally Posted By: wsar10
EXACTLY....
this is a VERY good point that slipped my mind in previous posts, nobody dies from the FLU, its what they get from having a weekend immune system DURING the FLU.
People do die from having the flu. When you get the flu, the body responds by producing factors that attack the virus. This immune response is called a cytokine storm, which is one of the contributors to making someone with the flu feel tired. Cytokines are non-specific in what they target and are also bad for the body's own cells. If cytokines are in high enough levels, they could lead to death from tissue damage.
Ok,
I guess I can't say NOBODY dies from the FLU.......
I would like to find the statistics on FLU deaths that stand alone, I would bet its not many.
A Cytokine storm happens (via Wiki) EVERYTIME a pathogen enters your body, I would be willing to bet that as you type your response "pathogens" are entering your body, every-time you step outside, have a common cold etc etc etc.....
but again in the definition YOU linked to it states its a "probable" (possible) cause of death, not proven. but you can DEFENITLY prove XX number of deaths caused by vaccines.
Originally Posted By: jcwit
As the old saying goes, You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
Seems to apply here as well.
At this point you are offering NOTHING to this thread other than taunting or trolling......
You REFUSE to do any research on your own other than "the news" your obviously bought into our failing medical system. You have admittedly had Polio, cancer, FLU shots and in a PM told me you cant make it through a veterans service without eating narcotic pain pills (another issue in itself) !!
Did you ever think maybe some of your issues are caused by
the vaccinations the military forced on you ?
As the old saying goes, You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
Seems to apply here as well.
At this point you are offering NOTHING to this thread other than taunting or trolling......
You REFUSE to do any research on your own other than "the news" your obviously bought into our failing medical system. You have admittedly had Polio, cancer, FLU shots and in a PM told me you cant make it through a veterans service without eating narcotic pain pills (another issue in itself) !!
Did you ever think maybe some of your issues are caused by
the vaccinations the military forced on you ?
Originally Posted By: wsar10
Originally Posted By: jcwit
As the old saying goes, You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
Seems to apply here as well.
At this point you are offering NOTHING to this thread other than taunting or trolling......
You REFUSE to do any research on your own other than "the news" your obviously bought into our failing medical system. You have admittedly had Polio, cancer, FLU shots and in a PM told me you cant make it through a veterans service without eating narcotic pain pills (another issue in itself) !!
Did you ever think maybe some of your issues are caused by
the vaccinations the military forced on you ?
And you are refusing to accept anyone else's opinion other than your own.
Thanks for ridiculing my service.
Then you question my intelligence.
You have no idea what my issues are regarding pain or what/how caused it.
No I do not take pain pills daily, my current bottle of 30 has lasted 3 months, I'm prescribed 1 pill a day.
Yes I had polio 58 years ago. There was a polio epidemic at that time, but I presume you're to young to realize that.
Yes I had cancer, 13 years ago, at this point I'm cancer free, many thanks to modern medicine.
At least I had the decency to put my reply in a PM, I see you do not posses that.
BTW, who made you a mod?
Originally Posted By: jcwit
As the old saying goes, You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
Seems to apply here as well.
At this point you are offering NOTHING to this thread other than taunting or trolling......
You REFUSE to do any research on your own other than "the news" your obviously bought into our failing medical system. You have admittedly had Polio, cancer, FLU shots and in a PM told me you cant make it through a veterans service without eating narcotic pain pills (another issue in itself) !!
Did you ever think maybe some of your issues are caused by
the vaccinations the military forced on you ?
And you are refusing to accept anyone else's opinion other than your own.
Thanks for ridiculing my service.
Then you question my intelligence.
You have no idea what my issues are regarding pain or what/how caused it.
No I do not take pain pills daily, my current bottle of 30 has lasted 3 months, I'm prescribed 1 pill a day.
Yes I had polio 58 years ago. There was a polio epidemic at that time, but I presume you're to young to realize that.
Yes I had cancer, 13 years ago, at this point I'm cancer free, many thanks to modern medicine.
At least I had the decency to put my reply in a PM, I see you do not posses that.
BTW, who made you a mod?
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Originally Posted By: javacontour
It's an apples to oranges comparison.
Cancer is typically far more deadly than the flu.
It's unlikely I'll die from the flu.
I've survived cancer.
I don't recall ever saying, I survived the flu.
I'm one of those rare individuals who did "survive the flu". The ER doc said I was a couple of hours away from death when I was admitted to the hospital (after the fact. I literally do not remember being admitted). I was 24, healthy and in great physical condition at the time. So, it can happen...
Truth is, despite that experience I still don't always get a flu shot--but laziness is the main reason. The costs/benefit seem to me to be heavily in favor of getting it; not because it's so effective but because the cost is so minimal. If one is really concerned about the mercury, just get it from a single-dose vial.
It's an apples to oranges comparison.
Cancer is typically far more deadly than the flu.
It's unlikely I'll die from the flu.
I've survived cancer.
I don't recall ever saying, I survived the flu.
I'm one of those rare individuals who did "survive the flu". The ER doc said I was a couple of hours away from death when I was admitted to the hospital (after the fact. I literally do not remember being admitted). I was 24, healthy and in great physical condition at the time. So, it can happen...
Truth is, despite that experience I still don't always get a flu shot--but laziness is the main reason. The costs/benefit seem to me to be heavily in favor of getting it; not because it's so effective but because the cost is so minimal. If one is really concerned about the mercury, just get it from a single-dose vial.
I can't stand needles and like to avoid them at all cost. I try to eat right, exercise, take Ester C, wash my hands like a maniac, avoid sickies like the plague etc...
Originally Posted By: wsar10
a weekend immune system DURING the FLU.
Does the immune system only fail Monday through Friday? Do all of the flu deaths occur during the week? Does it know about 3 day weekends?
I've never heard about the "weekend" immune system. Can you fill me in on the details?
a weekend immune system DURING the FLU.
Does the immune system only fail Monday through Friday? Do all of the flu deaths occur during the week? Does it know about 3 day weekends?
I've never heard about the "weekend" immune system. Can you fill me in on the details?
Timely: this afternoon I noticed that first back-of-the-throat scratchy-feeling coming on. Might be my cough/cold for the season - I usually get one, nothing ever that bad besides a light cough and some sinus shtuff - goes away soon enough.
Won't keep me from work unless it coincides with good waves... (Pop R - its similar to a weekend immune system - I don't get sick on weekends, just work days)
Regarding preventable diseases (as Polio was mentioned earlier) - there is a thing called Herd Immunity. People like Jenny McCarthy have done some serious damage to that, when taken seriously.
Won't keep me from work unless it coincides with good waves... (Pop R - its similar to a weekend immune system - I don't get sick on weekends, just work days)
Regarding preventable diseases (as Polio was mentioned earlier) - there is a thing called Herd Immunity. People like Jenny McCarthy have done some serious damage to that, when taken seriously.
I had a flu more than 20 years ago and the last time I had a flu shot was 15-16 years ago.
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
Originally Posted By: wsar10
a weekend immune system DURING the FLU.
Does the immune system only fail Monday through Friday? Do all of the flu deaths occur during the week? Does it know about 3 day weekends?
I've never heard about the "weekend" immune system. Can you fill me in on the details?
NO NO NO.....
it's only Monday-Wednesday it has Thursday off than back for Friday !
it was an auto spell mistake....
Originally Posted By: wsar10
a weekend immune system DURING the FLU.
Does the immune system only fail Monday through Friday? Do all of the flu deaths occur during the week? Does it know about 3 day weekends?
I've never heard about the "weekend" immune system. Can you fill me in on the details?
NO NO NO.....
it's only Monday-Wednesday it has Thursday off than back for Friday !
it was an auto spell mistake....
It's easy to pick on something other than the intent of the post, and try to discredit the poster...
e.g.
Quote:
In British English:
"I've got to do something" = it is imperative that I take action or experience something (action not yet done)
In American English:
"I've gotten to do something"? = I have had the pleasure, chance, possibility to do or experience something. (action done)
a) "gotten" isn't actual English, in spite of how high one's horse is; and
b) "gotten", when used doesn't make an imperative, but more of an experience...which anyone can choose to do.
e.g.
Quote:
In British English:
"I've got to do something" = it is imperative that I take action or experience something (action not yet done)
In American English:
"I've gotten to do something"? = I have had the pleasure, chance, possibility to do or experience something. (action done)
a) "gotten" isn't actual English, in spite of how high one's horse is; and
b) "gotten", when used doesn't make an imperative, but more of an experience...which anyone can choose to do.
Originally Posted By: jcwit
As the old saying goes, You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
Seems to apply here as well.
"I heard it on Faux, am putting it out here as a fact, I'm defending it as a fact, and you have to find the evidence...and anything that you do isn't the fact that I heard on Faux" isn't leading anything anywhere.
As the old saying goes, You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
Seems to apply here as well.
"I heard it on Faux, am putting it out here as a fact, I'm defending it as a fact, and you have to find the evidence...and anything that you do isn't the fact that I heard on Faux" isn't leading anything anywhere.
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: jcwit
As the old saying goes, You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
Seems to apply here as well.
"I heard it on Faux, am putting it out here as a fact, I'm defending it as a fact, and you have to find the evidence...and anything that you do isn't the fact that I heard on Faux" isn't leading anything anywhere.
No matter your feelings regarding FOX News Dr. Mark Siegel is one of the leadings Dr.s in the U.S.
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/09/27/time-to-get-flu-shot-is-now/
Then there are others of course
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162-5760...home-employees/
http://abcnews.go.com/topics/lifestyle/health/flu-vaccine.htm
http://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20130926/cdc-reports-more-americans-getting-flu-shots
Looks as tho FOX News reporting and feelings seem to be universal, no matter what you wish to call it.
Seems as if you can't lead a mule to water either.
Originally Posted By: jcwit
As the old saying goes, You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
Seems to apply here as well.
"I heard it on Faux, am putting it out here as a fact, I'm defending it as a fact, and you have to find the evidence...and anything that you do isn't the fact that I heard on Faux" isn't leading anything anywhere.
No matter your feelings regarding FOX News Dr. Mark Siegel is one of the leadings Dr.s in the U.S.
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/09/27/time-to-get-flu-shot-is-now/
Then there are others of course
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162-5760...home-employees/
http://abcnews.go.com/topics/lifestyle/health/flu-vaccine.htm
http://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20130926/cdc-reports-more-americans-getting-flu-shots
Looks as tho FOX News reporting and feelings seem to be universal, no matter what you wish to call it.
Seems as if you can't lead a mule to water either.
Exactly, we've been trying to lead you to the answer that there is no one-sized fits all solution. That there are bigger issues than the flu, and your body's personal defense against the flu is not dependent upon what other may or may not do.
Proof has been provided.
Yet you still do not drink from the water you've been led to.
Thanks for admitting that you can be led to water, but you refuse to drink!
Originally Posted By: jcwit
As the old saying goes, You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
Seems to apply here as well.
Proof has been provided.
Yet you still do not drink from the water you've been led to.
Thanks for admitting that you can be led to water, but you refuse to drink!
Originally Posted By: jcwit
As the old saying goes, You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
Seems to apply here as well.
I prefer to stick with modern medicine, after all I am alive because of it.
What proof has been provided?
It was suggested that I google "the truth about flu shots" so I did. Here's what I found at the top if the first page.
http://www.refinery29.com/2013/10/54931/flu-shot-side-effects
Regarding Dr. TenPenny and her views.
http://scientopia.org/blogs/whitecoatunderground/2009/12/30/[censored]-lies-and-idiots/
So just who is drinking the koolaid.
What proof has been provided?
It was suggested that I google "the truth about flu shots" so I did. Here's what I found at the top if the first page.
http://www.refinery29.com/2013/10/54931/flu-shot-side-effects
Regarding Dr. TenPenny and her views.
http://scientopia.org/blogs/whitecoatunderground/2009/12/30/[censored]-lies-and-idiots/
So just who is drinking the koolaid.
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I've only had 1 or 2 of them. I'm not in a rick group and I prefer to let my immune system fight the pathogens as it's been designed to do. The more you let your immune system "experience" pathogens the stronger it is.
And there is a huge difference between the flu and the common cold. The symptoms are vastly different between the 2.
If I am in the high risk group during my life I may consider.
I also ghasp rarely use hand sanitizer and prefer to just wash my hands.
And there is a huge difference between the flu and the common cold. The symptoms are vastly different between the 2.
If I am in the high risk group during my life I may consider.
I also ghasp rarely use hand sanitizer and prefer to just wash my hands.
The proof that only about 2% of all deaths each year are flu shots, while 1 in 4 are due to heart disease.
Meaning that concerns about the flu, for the general population is dealing with the noise, while there are far bigger killers out there.
IIRC, you said you had issues to deal with related to heart disease, yet you go on and on about flu shots.
Besides, you can't argue with the fact that as long as you get the shot, it really doesn't matter what any one else does right?
After all, shot or no shot, ultimately, your immune system has to fight off what it encounters. So any other person's flu shot status is immaterial to your immune system.
Originally Posted By: jcwit
I prefer to stick with modern medicine, after all I am alive because of it.
What proof has been provided?
It was suggested that I google "the truth about flu shots" so I did. Here's what I found at the top if the first page.
http://www.refinery29.com/2013/10/54931/flu-shot-side-effects
Regarding Dr. TenPenny and her views.
http://scientopia.org/blogs/whitecoatunderground/2009/12/30/[censored]-lies-and-idiots/
So just who is drinking the koolaid.
Meaning that concerns about the flu, for the general population is dealing with the noise, while there are far bigger killers out there.
IIRC, you said you had issues to deal with related to heart disease, yet you go on and on about flu shots.
Besides, you can't argue with the fact that as long as you get the shot, it really doesn't matter what any one else does right?
After all, shot or no shot, ultimately, your immune system has to fight off what it encounters. So any other person's flu shot status is immaterial to your immune system.
Originally Posted By: jcwit
I prefer to stick with modern medicine, after all I am alive because of it.
What proof has been provided?
It was suggested that I google "the truth about flu shots" so I did. Here's what I found at the top if the first page.
http://www.refinery29.com/2013/10/54931/flu-shot-side-effects
Regarding Dr. TenPenny and her views.
http://scientopia.org/blogs/whitecoatunderground/2009/12/30/[censored]-lies-and-idiots/
So just who is drinking the koolaid.
Seems the US and Canada are the only nations suggesting flu vaccination for all ages 6mos +
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/17/health/flu-vaccine-policy/index.html
The rest of the world only suggest vaccinating select populations.
Originally Posted By: from the linked article
In a contrast to U.S. policy, the World Health Organization recommends only six "priority populations" get "the flu jab," as it's called in Britain.
These six groups are nursing home residents, people with chronic medical conditions like asthma, the elderly, pregnant women, health care workers, and children from ages 6 months to 2 years, Butler said. They are more vulnerable to the severe effects of the flu or come into contact more often with this highly contagious virus.
"We think the recommendations we have right now (are) a good start," Butler said. "Universal campaigns are quite challenging and expensive.
"We have 53 countries in our region that all have different recommendations based on different studies and evidence, and the depth of evidence in Europe right now is pretty limited in terms of flu vaccines. We would need more evidence that more than these six key, target high-risk groups that are prioritized can benefit. "
Online speculation says the U.S. call for general vaccination is merely a plot by drug companies to make a big profit.
So it's not just the as you would call it, "uneducated." There are many well if not better educated folks, making national policies who have determined there is limited benefit to vaccinating everyone.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/17/health/flu-vaccine-policy/index.html
The rest of the world only suggest vaccinating select populations.
Originally Posted By: from the linked article
In a contrast to U.S. policy, the World Health Organization recommends only six "priority populations" get "the flu jab," as it's called in Britain.
These six groups are nursing home residents, people with chronic medical conditions like asthma, the elderly, pregnant women, health care workers, and children from ages 6 months to 2 years, Butler said. They are more vulnerable to the severe effects of the flu or come into contact more often with this highly contagious virus.
"We think the recommendations we have right now (are) a good start," Butler said. "Universal campaigns are quite challenging and expensive.
"We have 53 countries in our region that all have different recommendations based on different studies and evidence, and the depth of evidence in Europe right now is pretty limited in terms of flu vaccines. We would need more evidence that more than these six key, target high-risk groups that are prioritized can benefit. "
Online speculation says the U.S. call for general vaccination is merely a plot by drug companies to make a big profit.
So it's not just the as you would call it, "uneducated." There are many well if not better educated folks, making national policies who have determined there is limited benefit to vaccinating everyone.
Originally Posted By: jcwit
I prefer to stick with modern medicine, after all I am alive because of it.
What proof has been provided?
It was suggested that I google "the truth about flu shots" so I did. Here's what I found at the top if the first page.
http://www.refinery29.com/2013/10/54931/flu-shot-side-effects
Regarding Dr. TenPenny and her views.
http://scientopia.org/blogs/whitecoatunderground/2009/12/30/[censored]-lies-and-idiots/
So just who is drinking the koolaid.
You apparently did not comprehend what you read if you reviewed Dr.Tenpenny's research,
If you did you would know that
:children with asthma are MORE likely to be hospitalized after HAVING the FLU shot
: it was only effective in %6 of healthy adults last year,
: reduced the "days off work" by less than %1.
: over 98 FLU seasons there was no evidence of the shot being beneficial for the elderly
: Rats injected with H1N1 vaccine were CRIPPLED as a result
I prefer to stick with modern medicine, after all I am alive because of it.
What proof has been provided?
It was suggested that I google "the truth about flu shots" so I did. Here's what I found at the top if the first page.
http://www.refinery29.com/2013/10/54931/flu-shot-side-effects
Regarding Dr. TenPenny and her views.
http://scientopia.org/blogs/whitecoatunderground/2009/12/30/[censored]-lies-and-idiots/
So just who is drinking the koolaid.
You apparently did not comprehend what you read if you reviewed Dr.Tenpenny's research,
If you did you would know that
:children with asthma are MORE likely to be hospitalized after HAVING the FLU shot
: it was only effective in %6 of healthy adults last year,
: reduced the "days off work" by less than %1.
: over 98 FLU seasons there was no evidence of the shot being beneficial for the elderly
: Rats injected with H1N1 vaccine were CRIPPLED as a result
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Originally Posted By: wsar10
You apparently did not comprehend what you read if you reviewed Dr.Tenpenny's research,
How's this for 'research'?
If you go to bing and search dr tenpenny - these are the following auto-complete suggestions
1) dr tenpenny on vaccines
2) dr tenpenny quack
3) dr tenpenny vaccines quack
If it walks like duck...
You apparently did not comprehend what you read if you reviewed Dr.Tenpenny's research,
How's this for 'research'?
If you go to bing and search dr tenpenny - these are the following auto-complete suggestions
1) dr tenpenny on vaccines
2) dr tenpenny quack
3) dr tenpenny vaccines quack
If it walks like duck...
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