First Oil Change...Wait 10K Miles?

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint

Lets say you are shopping used cars, you find two identical vehicles you like, the same price, miles condition, everything. The only difference is the service history.


What I said was "everything" identical, that would also include color, other service items, etc, etc. etc. The only difference was how the oil changes were handled. The general consensus seems to be the car that had the oil dumped early and changed more often. I got the answers I thought I'd get, with some hedging. LOL

The only reason IMO someone would buy the other car would be because they didn't look at the service history.

 

[Bgallagher]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
This topic has been covered lots of times here. There are guys for and against it. I change the oil early to get any of the excess junk out from assembly, and break-in wear metals. The guys against it will tell you its a waste of time, money, and resources.

If it were my car the oil would be out early. JMO


+1 I am a believer in changing the FF early to get all the wear metals and excess stuff out. Then fill it with quality fluid and start the 10k cycles

 

[Oldwolf]

OP here. I'm guessing using M1 0W20 for an intermediate change won't matter since the Toyo oil is M1. Dealer OC's at 10k intervals came with the car up to 60k. I'll probably go with a Denso oil filter and the M1 at 5k, then go with 10k OC's by the dealer.

 

[Oil Changer]

Originally Posted By: Oldwolf
OP here. I'm guessing using M1 0W20 for an intermediate change won't matter since the Toyo oil is M1. Dealer OC's at 10k intervals came with the car up to 60k. I'll probably go with a Denso oil filter and the M1 at 5k, then go with 10k OC's by the dealer.


M1 and GTMO are NOT the same! Get the Toyota brand SM or SN.

 

[friendly_jacek]

Originally Posted By: fdcg27

I think that we can all agree that most break-in happens in the first thousand or so miles of operation, by which time the rings have either seated or they won't.
I think that we can all agree that a UOA of FF oil will show very high metals levels.
I think that we can also all agree that the presence of these metals in the used oil is the result of their being particles too small for the oil filter to reliably trap.


We can agree all right, but where did you jump to the conclusions that those very small particles are harmful to the engine?

If they are so harmful, why aren't we using the magnetic drain plugs in engines anymore?

 

[raytseng]

meh, shouldn't you be more worried about the proper charging cycles for your battery packs, cause it's known for sure those are going to degrade over the near lifetime, as compared to the engine.

 

[fdcg27]

I don't think it's much of a jump.
What would you propose as a reasonable condemnation limit for metal wear particles in the oil?

 

[friendly_jacek]

Originally Posted By: fdcg27
I don't think it's much of a jump.
What would you propose as a reasonable condemnation limit for metal wear particles in the oil?


More than what we see at the end of break in oil in Toyota engines.

 

[fdcg27]

Okay.
How much more?
What multiple of what we'd see in a normal UOA would you consider acceptable?
Also, what are the limits of the oil's dispersant capacity?
At what point do these insoluables exceed it.
I can't see any upside to leaving this stuff in an engine.
I also can't see any downside in getting it out.

 

[Indydriver]

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Indydriver:

Quote:
In 2008, I purchased a Mazdaspeed3 and did my usual practice of changing the FF at 1250 miles. It runs great and has no problems. There has been a history of turbo problems with this car, but not mine.


Okay.

Quote:
In 2011, we bought a V6 Accord. It comes with 0W-20 and a Maintainence Minder. Both the manual and the dealer jumped up and down about not changing the oil early. So, I did what they said, which turned out to be 6300 miles. I did a UOA on this oil to see what was so great about it and what kind of shape it was in. The TBN was 2.0 (Blackstone), so it was pretty well used up. It had 253ppm Cu in it, among other things.


Okay. So what oil-related engine problems have you experienced so far? Does it "run great"?


No problems at all with the Honda. It does run great. It's been very happy with it's clean oil for the past 3700 miles.

 

[JOD]

Originally Posted By: raytseng
meh, shouldn't you be more worried about the proper charging cycles for your battery packs, cause it's known for sure those are going to degrade over the near lifetime, as compared to the engine.


you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. It's not a cordless drill...

 

[JOD]

I'd be more inclined to change the factory fill transmission fluid, since there's no filter and it's well-established that most wear particles in AT's occur during the first 5-10K. That said, I'd be inclined to dump the FF@ 5K, even though I know its unnecessary.

I bought a 2 year old lease return and I won't lie, I was glad to see that the FF was changed@3K.

 

[raytseng]

Originally Posted By: JOD
Originally Posted By: raytseng
meh, shouldn't you be more worried about the proper charging cycles for your battery packs, cause it's known for sure those are going to degrade over the near lifetime, as compared to the engine.


you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. It's not a cordless drill...


says the guy who says to dump the FF, while admitting that logically it's unnecessary.
I still claim focusing your nitpicks on battery care will yield you something more tangible over the lifespan of this vehicle as compared to nitpicking on the oil.

If the logical followup is well you can't really do too much with the battery, so there's no difference; it also follows whatever you do with the oil within reasonable OCIs isn't going to make a difference either.

 

[JGW]

Originally Posted By: Trav

People amaze me sometimes they buy insurance for everything and anything but ask them to spend a lousy 30 bucks on an oil change that even if its only remotely possible that it could contribute to longer engine life and they get their knickers in a knot.
When the "engineers" make mistakes that lead to sludge and engine failure these are the same folks that cry foul and call the same engineers idiots.


Amen!

 

[Mr_Incredible]

Necessary vs desirable.

It isn't necessary that my female be the hot model type, but it might be desireable.

It isn't necessary that I bring home chocolate for the wife, but it's highly desireable.

It may not be necessary to change oil sooner than the mfgr says, but it might be desirable.

Do what you can to do what you think is desirable, but don't neglect the necessary. It's only oil, change it when you feel like it.

 

[Oldwolf]

My Prius C is at 10k miles now and this afternoon my dealer will change it and do the regular 10k service routine.

Here is what my oil looks like today with 10k miles on it.

 

[Bgallagher]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
This topic has been covered lots of times here. There are guys for and against it. I change the oil early to get any of the excess junk out from assembly, and break-in wear metals. The guys against it will tell you its a waste of time, money, and resources.

If it were my car the oil would be out early. JMO


+1 2k then I would do the 10k

 

[LineArrayNut]

That's what my dipstick looks like at 1K miles. Hmmm... maybe time for a lifestyle change... naw!