First brand new vehicle-2011 Altima 2.5SL
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Originally Posted By: Striker
I've never had good luck with mobile one products and refuse to put it in this motor.
What's another good, 100% synthetic fluid?
Thats like asking how big is the can of worms you're about to open
For my G Im going with SynPower 5w-30. The alternative was Pennzoil Ultra 5w-30 but Advance had a sale on the SynPower, combined with a 40.00 off 100.00, combined with the 20.00 rebate from Valvoline. (note that I chose those two because the manufac. specifically say they meet/exceed the Nissan ester requirements)
I think the only Mobil1 product I would use is 0W-40, but since my car is brand new I want to stick with the same viscosity recommended by Nissan, in case any warranty issues arise.
I've never had good luck with mobile one products and refuse to put it in this motor.
What's another good, 100% synthetic fluid?
Thats like asking how big is the can of worms you're about to open
For my G Im going with SynPower 5w-30. The alternative was Pennzoil Ultra 5w-30 but Advance had a sale on the SynPower, combined with a 40.00 off 100.00, combined with the 20.00 rebate from Valvoline. (note that I chose those two because the manufac. specifically say they meet/exceed the Nissan ester requirements)
I think the only Mobil1 product I would use is 0W-40, but since my car is brand new I want to stick with the same viscosity recommended by Nissan, in case any warranty issues arise.
Originally Posted By: Striker
I've never had good luck with mobile one products and refuse to put it in this motor.
What's another good, 100% synthetic fluid?
Are you trying to exclude Group III? The non group III synthetics will cost you.
Oh yeah, it's believed here that M1 uses some Group III in their formulas but the reduction of cost doesn't necessarily bring reduction in performance. Those engines with 10k+ OCIs on M1 or other oils that mix in Group III that are clean and sludge free are a testament to this.
I've never had good luck with mobile one products and refuse to put it in this motor.
What's another good, 100% synthetic fluid?
Are you trying to exclude Group III? The non group III synthetics will cost you.
Oh yeah, it's believed here that M1 uses some Group III in their formulas but the reduction of cost doesn't necessarily bring reduction in performance. Those engines with 10k+ OCIs on M1 or other oils that mix in Group III that are clean and sludge free are a testament to this.
I've always had good luck with Castrol in all of my vehicles, and my family vehicles. What i'm looking for is a synthetic fluid preferably by castrol. Castrol Synthec is partialy synthetic, correct?
Originally Posted By: Striker
I've always had good luck with Castrol in all of my vehicles, and my family vehicles. What i'm looking for is a synthetic fluid preferably by castrol. Castrol Synthec is partialy synthetic, correct?
Castrol Syntec is pretty much all Group III. EDGE uses a mix of Group III and IV and from what we see, EDGE provides greater performance.
So if you prefer Castrol, then two thumbs up for EDGE!
I've always had good luck with Castrol in all of my vehicles, and my family vehicles. What i'm looking for is a synthetic fluid preferably by castrol. Castrol Synthec is partialy synthetic, correct?
Castrol Syntec is pretty much all Group III. EDGE uses a mix of Group III and IV and from what we see, EDGE provides greater performance.
So if you prefer Castrol, then two thumbs up for EDGE!
Ok thanks a lot. Now, you mentioned the Edge using a bit of groupd 3 and 4. Just out of curiosity, what castrol brand is a group 4 oil?
Another Person Bashing Mobil 1, i have tried edge,royal purple,syntec etc.... and they burnt up really quick. and i switched back to mobil 1 0w40 and it decreased oil consumption dramatically. There is a reason why top car manufacturers use Mobil 1 as their factory fill.
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Another Person Bashing Mobil 1, i have tried edge,royal purple,syntec etc.... and they burnt up really quick. and i switched back to mobil 1 0w40 and it decreased oil consumption dramatically. There is a reason why top car manufacturers use Mobil 1 as their factory fill.
what do you mean by "burnt up really quick"? and cmmonsence says m1 deal with what you refer to top car manufactures using m1 as factory fill is based on numerous reasons, one being price, not to mention idk of edge or syntech offering a 0w40, not comparing apples to apples by any means
Another Person Bashing Mobil 1, i have tried edge,royal purple,syntec etc.... and they burnt up really quick. and i switched back to mobil 1 0w40 and it decreased oil consumption dramatically. There is a reason why top car manufacturers use Mobil 1 as their factory fill.
what do you mean by "burnt up really quick"? and cmmonsence says m1 deal with what you refer to top car manufactures using m1 as factory fill is based on numerous reasons, one being price, not to mention idk of edge or syntech offering a 0w40, not comparing apples to apples by any means
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I guess the only 100% synthetic oil by castrol is the "german castrol"?
I'm also thinking about going to Amsoil for their 5W30. I would like to see this car last me long past the 5 year mark.
I'm also thinking about going to Amsoil for their 5W30. I would like to see this car last me long past the 5 year mark.
That and the fact that popular belief is that Mobil's cutting edge tech and best research goes to their 0w line.....
But some people want to stick with the auto manufacturers recommended viscosity so 0w anything isn't always an option so it comes down to comparing 5w30 products where Mobil isn't as strong
But some people want to stick with the auto manufacturers recommended viscosity so 0w anything isn't always an option so it comes down to comparing 5w30 products where Mobil isn't as strong
Valvoline Synpower is a nice "off the shelf" synthetic oil.
I have use in a couple vehicles that are well over 150k and still running strong.
I have use in a couple vehicles that are well over 150k and still running strong.
Originally Posted By: Striker
Ok thanks a lot. Now, you mentioned the Edge using a bit of groupd 3 and 4. Just out of curiosity, what castrol brand is a group 4 oil?
An oil that only uses group IV would be a terrible oil. Most botique oil makers that want to avoid group III have to use group V or else the required additive packs would have trouble working well
GC would not be the oil it is if it only used Group IV.
Ok thanks a lot. Now, you mentioned the Edge using a bit of groupd 3 and 4. Just out of curiosity, what castrol brand is a group 4 oil?
An oil that only uses group IV would be a terrible oil. Most botique oil makers that want to avoid group III have to use group V or else the required additive packs would have trouble working well
GC would not be the oil it is if it only used Group IV.
Originally Posted By: Striker
I guess the only 100% synthetic oil by castrol is the "german castrol"?
I'm also thinking about going to Amsoil for their 5W30. I would like to see this car last me long past the 5 year mark.
If you're really big on oil choice, I say just go with either Amsoil or Royal Purple.
I guess the only 100% synthetic oil by castrol is the "german castrol"?
I'm also thinking about going to Amsoil for their 5W30. I would like to see this car last me long past the 5 year mark.
If you're really big on oil choice, I say just go with either Amsoil or Royal Purple.
Amsoil is definitely in the runs, I just dont know if it's justifiable to go with Amsoil while following Nissan OCI's of 6,000 km's.
Just to clarify again, Castrol Edge is NOT 100 percent synthetic?
Just to clarify again, Castrol Edge is NOT 100 percent synthetic?
Originally Posted By: Striker
Amsoil is definitely in the runs, I just dont know if it's justifiable to go with Amsoil while following Nissan OCI's of 6,000 km's.
Just to clarify again, Castrol Edge is NOT 100 percent synthetic?
Depends on if you believe (like the API does) that you can turn conventional oil into synthetic by hydro cracking it a lot.
If you want a synthetic oil without any Group III, you won't find it in most store shelves and you probably won't be willing to pay the $8-$10 per quart that it costs but if you're interested, there are a number of sites you can look at.
Also, when you look at Amsoil, you need to exclude the XL and OE lines if you are trying to avoid Group III.
Amsoil is definitely in the runs, I just dont know if it's justifiable to go with Amsoil while following Nissan OCI's of 6,000 km's.
Just to clarify again, Castrol Edge is NOT 100 percent synthetic?
Depends on if you believe (like the API does) that you can turn conventional oil into synthetic by hydro cracking it a lot.
If you want a synthetic oil without any Group III, you won't find it in most store shelves and you probably won't be willing to pay the $8-$10 per quart that it costs but if you're interested, there are a number of sites you can look at.
Also, when you look at Amsoil, you need to exclude the XL and OE lines if you are trying to avoid Group III.
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Originally Posted By: Striker
Amsoil is definitely in the runs, I just dont know if it's justifiable to go with Amsoil while following Nissan OCI's of 6,000 km's.
Just to clarify again, Castrol Edge is NOT 100 percent synthetic?
If you want a synthetic oil without any Group III
Also, when you look at Amsoil, you need to exclude the XL and OE lines if you are trying to avoid Group III.
I'll be honest, I've got no idea what group I want or need. I haven't done a whole lot of reading on this forum, but the little reading I've accomplished, doesn't outline the differences in lament terms as to the differences between group III and IV fluids.
Funny you bring up Amsoil's OE lineup as I was just reading on it from their website. Not really sure what they're trying to get at with that oil and how does it differ from their normal fluid.
Originally Posted By: Striker
Amsoil is definitely in the runs, I just dont know if it's justifiable to go with Amsoil while following Nissan OCI's of 6,000 km's.
Just to clarify again, Castrol Edge is NOT 100 percent synthetic?
If you want a synthetic oil without any Group III
Also, when you look at Amsoil, you need to exclude the XL and OE lines if you are trying to avoid Group III.
I'll be honest, I've got no idea what group I want or need. I haven't done a whole lot of reading on this forum, but the little reading I've accomplished, doesn't outline the differences in lament terms as to the differences between group III and IV fluids.
Funny you bring up Amsoil's OE lineup as I was just reading on it from their website. Not really sure what they're trying to get at with that oil and how does it differ from their normal fluid.
Originally Posted By: Striker
I'll be honest, I've got no idea what group I want or need. I haven't done a whole lot of reading on this forum, but the little reading I've accomplished, doesn't outline the differences in lament terms as to the differences between group III and IV fluids.
Funny you bring up Amsoil's OE lineup as I was just reading on it from their website. Not really sure what they're trying to get at with that oil and how does it differ from their normal fluid.
Basically, group III oils are engineered to be synthetic from conventional oil. While, group IV oils are PAO based and aren't petroleum at the molecular level. The group V I know of like Royal Purple(is red line a group V???), is more about esters, not sure as the base or as the primary add package.
PS: I believe Amsoil's OE line is brand new, more like their version for conventional-like wants/needs...oh and btw the groupings don't mean they exclusively dont have properties of other groups within any given product.
I'll be honest, I've got no idea what group I want or need. I haven't done a whole lot of reading on this forum, but the little reading I've accomplished, doesn't outline the differences in lament terms as to the differences between group III and IV fluids.
Funny you bring up Amsoil's OE lineup as I was just reading on it from their website. Not really sure what they're trying to get at with that oil and how does it differ from their normal fluid.
Basically, group III oils are engineered to be synthetic from conventional oil. While, group IV oils are PAO based and aren't petroleum at the molecular level. The group V I know of like Royal Purple(is red line a group V???), is more about esters, not sure as the base or as the primary add package.
PS: I believe Amsoil's OE line is brand new, more like their version for conventional-like wants/needs...oh and btw the groupings don't mean they exclusively dont have properties of other groups within any given product.
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Originally Posted By: Striker
Funny you bring up Amsoil's OE lineup as I was just reading on it from their website. Not really sure what they're trying to get at with that oil and how does it differ from their normal fluid.
Not exactly sure what you mean by "normal" fluid, but Amsoil has a pretty good lineup now. I won't mention the (so called) "true" synthetics (Group IV and V), I'll just try and answer your question about the OE oils, in relation to the XL oils.
The OE is primarily marketed for the lube change places who offer synthetic oil changes. The price is often the name of the game everywhere, but if a lube change place can offer an Amsoil synthetic oil change without going into the extended oil change realm at a VERY reasonable price, they will have a winner. And apparently it is a winner so far.
The current OE is exactly what the Amsoil XL line was before. A very good Group III oil with API approvals. The NEW XL line is the same base oil, but with a whole new excellent additive package. A great oil before, even better now.
Hope this helps.
Funny you bring up Amsoil's OE lineup as I was just reading on it from their website. Not really sure what they're trying to get at with that oil and how does it differ from their normal fluid.
Not exactly sure what you mean by "normal" fluid, but Amsoil has a pretty good lineup now. I won't mention the (so called) "true" synthetics (Group IV and V), I'll just try and answer your question about the OE oils, in relation to the XL oils.
The OE is primarily marketed for the lube change places who offer synthetic oil changes. The price is often the name of the game everywhere, but if a lube change place can offer an Amsoil synthetic oil change without going into the extended oil change realm at a VERY reasonable price, they will have a winner. And apparently it is a winner so far.
The current OE is exactly what the Amsoil XL line was before. A very good Group III oil with API approvals. The NEW XL line is the same base oil, but with a whole new excellent additive package. A great oil before, even better now.
Hope this helps.
I think I would let the dealer do the first oil/filter change in order to "get to know you as a good customer" I have had much success by not babying or beating on my new vehicles. I drive normally and push it from time to time (not over 3500 rpm, not using the cruise control, no long ideling or warm up time. Switch to PP or Mobil 1 or?? synthetic and follow the factory recommendation on oil change intervals. I sell my vehicles a~ 125,000 miles running very well without any oil related issues. JMW. Ed
Ok guys I think I'm slowly starting to get some of this. I've got a long way to go before my first fluid change but I definitely wanna know what to be putting in.
I think for me it's either down to the new Castrol Edge or the 100% Synthetic Amsoil. Both in the manufacturer recommended 5W30
I think for me it's either down to the new Castrol Edge or the 100% Synthetic Amsoil. Both in the manufacturer recommended 5W30
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