Filters for Yanmar/J-D/Kubota/Honda's, etc.....

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I originally posted this over at the TractorByNet forum, and thought I'd put it in here too. You never stop learning, I guess...

I'd been sitting around, acting pretty smug, thinking I knew just about all there was about oil filters for the Yanmar engines in my various small John-Deere equipment (3 cyl engines, 20 - 33 HP), and some Kubota's that a few guys owned. It seemed pretty simple, since they all take pretty much the same filter (WIX 51365/NAPA 1365), which fits a whole pile of applications (Honda cars and motorcycles, I think someone mentioned it fits Subarau's, etc..). A universal filter!! A 51356 will work, too, it's a longer version of the 51365. Everything was good.

Then, I was at my brother's the other night; Brothers 1 & 2 were changing the engine and hydro fluid and filters on their J-D 755's, getting ready for winter. Being the curious type, I was poking around Bro #1's stash of filters, and noticed a NAPA 1334; when I asked him what it was for, he said "the 755", which I thought was most unusual, since I was operating under the assumption that the NAPA 1365 was THE one to use. Hmmm....

Bro. #2 had a 1365 on his 755, and, when we took it off and compared the 1334 to it, we noticed the 1334 has the same M20x1.5 thread and gasket size, but is about 1/2" larger in diameter, and 1/2" longer.

Remembering that my 955 (33 HP Yanmar) uses a NAPA 1064, I ran off and gathered up one of those to compare. The 1064 is just a "short" version of the 1334!!

According to the WIX chart, the flow rate, bypass setting, etc.., are pretty much the same throughout.

So, if you like skinny filters, or if space is tight, it looks like:
WIX 51365/NAPA 1365 or WIX 51356/NAPA 1356 (longer)

Fat filters:
WIX 51064/NAPA 1064 or WIX 51334/NAPA 1334 (longer)

You can cross to Purolator, Donaldson, etc.., as applicable.

This is obviously important if you have a variety of equipment, like I do, since only having to keep one filter # on hand makes it a lot easier for stocking purposes. Or, if you need a filter and the guy is out of one of them, you have some others to pick from.

All is good again.

For now....

 

[Bottom_Feeder]

Subaru owner here. You may want to compare the thread depth on all of those filters because it may make a difference on your equipment.

The threaded mounting plate on a Subaru filter is a lot shallower than on a Honda filter (maybe 1/4" or so, which is a lot), even though the thread size and gasket size are the same on a lot of these filters. From what I can tell, Wix does not make a Subaru-specific older-style big-can filter (with the right thread depth and no ADB), and either substitutes the the newer, smaller 1334 for newer turbocharged Subarus, or the 'incorrect' (in my opinion) 1365 for Hondas in its place. Unlike Wix, both Purolator and Champion Labs make three different filters for these three applications.

My point is that while it's very possible that the 1334 and 1365 can interchange to a certain degree and have a lot of the same specs, they may be 'different enough' to not be right in one area. If your JD engines call for a deep-thread Honda-style filter, the 1334 may be to shallow and might bottom out before the gasket is sealed all the way.

Just so you know...

 

[thatguy]

I was the one on tractorbynet.com and found that from one of the Subaru forums ( http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/showthread.php?s=1066af32cbbd73a428f4f7e4ea84c7b9&t=3014 ) that they recommended the Wix 51365, the Mobil 1-108 and some others for the subaru..

They also said that the Mobil 1-110 if you wanted a longer filter..

When I looked up the filter for a Honda CRV it gives you the Mobil 1-110 and a Wix 51356.. Looking up my john deere with a wix you get the 51365..

Looking at the wix specs the 356 and 365 filters are the same except for length.. So I made the assumption that they were interchangeable, especially with the subarus since that is where I originally found the information.

sorry for any mis-information

Brian

 

[Bottom_Feeder]

Originally Posted By: Bottom_Feeder
Subaru owner here. You may want to compare the thread depth on all of those filters because it may make a difference on your equipment.

The threaded mounting plate on a Subaru filter is a lot shallower than on a Honda filter (maybe 1/4" or so, which is a lot), even though the thread size and gasket size are the same on a lot of these filters. From what I can tell, Wix does not make a Subaru-specific older-style big-can filter (with the right thread depth and no ADB), and either substitutes the the newer, smaller 1365 for newer turbocharged Subarus, or the 'incorrect' (in my opinion) 1334 for Hondas in its place. Unlike Wix, both Purolator and Champion Labs make three different filters for these three applications.

My point is that while it's very possible that the 1365 and 1334 can interchange to a certain degree and have a lot of the same specs, they may be 'different enough' to not be right in one area. If your JD engines call for a deep-thread Honda-style filter, the 1334 may be to shallow and might bottom out before the gasket is sealed all the way.

Argh. I got my part numbers backwards. Sorry for any confusion, guys.

 

[Bottom_Feeder]

Originally Posted By: thatguy
I was the one on tractorbynet.com and found that from one of the Subaru forums ( http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/showthread.php?s=1066af32cbbd73a428f4f7e4ea84c7b9&t=3014 ) that they recommended the Wix 51365, the Mobil 1-108 and some others for the subaru.

The picture posted in reply #15 in that thread shows exactly what I was referring to about thread depth. Thanks for the link!

 

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If your JD engines call for a deep-thread Honda-style filter, the 1334 may be to shallow and might bottom out before the gasket is sealed all the way.

Bottom_Feeder - I was speaking primarily about the Yanmar engines used on J-D's, and some Kubotas (I believe, don't own any Kubotas, but the Kubota filter crosses to the 1365). I only mentioned Subarus because someone mentioned the same filter would work on them in another thread.

About that threaded mounting plate, they do differ, in thickness and configuration. We found some J-D filters for my Dad's 755 (21 HP Yanmar, 3 cyl) that he had stashed in a cabinet (probably 10 years old) when we were cleaning out the garage, and compared them with some newer J-D ones from earlier this year. Part numbers were the same, but the bases on the new ones have a concave configuration, recessed a good 1/4-3/8", while the old ones have a flat base. I'll see if I have any left to get some comparo pics. The old ones definitely contacted the threads sooner, and had to be turned a few more rotations before they got tight, compared to the new ones. They both seemed to work fine on my X595 (21 HP Yanmar 3 cyl). FWIW - the WIX/NAPA's all have a flat base.

I can tell you that we've used the 1365's, 1064's and 1334's on our J-D's, and the 1365's on both brothers' Honda ST1300 motorcycles with no problems. The only ones we haven't tried are the 1356's thatguy mentioned, but I can't imagine there'd be a problem with them.