Filter Efficiency: when small differences aren't small

Most of the time I'm looking for "10 micron efficiency" and "yes" for motor oil filtering.
As small as I can get for hydraulic, usually 4 to 10 micron.
And as small as I can get for diesel fuel systems which is usually 1 or 2 micron.

Obviously not the ones rated at 99% @>46u. 😄
Hey sometimes you just need a big ole trash screen. That would be perfect as the 2nd filter in my waste oil burner. It would be a good filter for after the first filter that's literally a metal trash screen that I can see through.
 
Most of the time I'm looking for "10 micron efficiency" and "yes" for motor oil filtering.
As small as I can get for hydraulic, usually 4 to 10 micron.
And as small as I can get for diesel fuel systems which is usually 1 or 2 micron.


Hey sometimes you just need a big ole trash screen. That would be perfect as the 2nd filter in my waste oil burner. It would be a good filter for after the first filter that's literally a metal trash screen that I can see through.
I wish we knew the real numbers for the Subaru and Toyota filters , we know pretty much what the boss is and we like to tease about it . Millions and millions of Toyota's running around lasting quite a while on filters that are considerably less efficient than the boss . 🤔
 
I wish we knew the real numbers for the Subaru and Toyota filters , we know pretty much what the boss is and we like to tease about it . Millions and millions of Toyota's running around lasting quite a while on filters that are considerably less efficient than the boss . 🤔
Yeah oil filters made 50 years ago were only trying to catch most of the junk around 40 microns and that was usually good enough for the vehicle to turn into a rust pile before the engine wore out.
 
Yeah oil filters made 50 years ago were only trying to catch most of the junk around 40 microns and that was usually good enough for the vehicle to turn into a rust pile before the engine wore out.
We aren't talking 50 years ago with the Toyota filters, it's current filters are rock catchers but we don't know the numbers .
 
I wish we knew the real numbers for the Subaru and Toyota filters , we know pretty much what the boss is and we like to tease about it . Millions and millions of Toyota's running around lasting quite a while on filters that are considerably less efficient than the boss . 🤔
Unless someone tests the OEM filters it’s unlikely anyone will ever know.

I guess it’s a reason I don’t use either one, one is a guess and one is a documented reason.
 
Unless someone tests the OEM filters it’s unlikely anyone will ever know.

I guess it’s a reason I don’t use either one, one is a guess and one is a documented reason.
In your opinion why would the boss use such a lousy media? I can't see that is a cost savings for them , they add the backing to the filter media , nice can , I'm sure they're bypass cost more than the Pringle chip bypass , silicone adv , thick base Plate , nice threads , and the most important just a beautiful paint job . Why don't they ditch their media for one of these Vietnam made filter material and save money ?
 
In your opinion why would the boss use such a lousy media? I can't see that is a cost savings for them , they add the backing to the filter media , nice can , I'm sure they're bypass cost more than the Pringle chip bypass , silicone adv , thick base Plate , nice threads , and the most important just a beautiful paint job . Why don't they ditch their media for one of these Vietnam made filter material and save money ?
Who knows. But as is often pointed out here, we are supposed to go to the sheets and the sheets document the efficiency, so there’s that.

Lately I just go to O’Reilly for a MicroGard Select.
 
In your opinion why would the boss use such a lousy media? I can't see that is a cost savings for them , they add the backing to the filter media , nice can , I'm sure they're bypass cost more than the Pringle chip bypass , silicone adv , thick base Plate , nice threads , and the most important just a beautiful paint job . Why don't they ditch their media for one of these Vietnam made filter material and save money ?
My best guess is the cost to develop a new high efficiency 20k mile media isn’t worth it to them. Look how long they got away with advertising it as high efficiency!! Fram even cheapened the OG Ultra/Titanium media. M+H and First Brands seem to be squeezing every penny out of every filter recently.

Also keep in mind the high efficiency PG media is rated at 10k miles. I’ve seen them look good well beyond 10k but it’s not advertised beyond that.
 
I have had time to relect on my poorly chosen words on the Fram TG. I of all people should have known better. My apologies to all involved and although I will not be using up my stash of Fram TGs I will concede that they do in fact have a much better flow rate than the competition.
I stand corrected. 🧍‍♂️

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I have had time to relect on my poorly chosen words on the Fram TG. I of all people should have known better. My apologies to all involved and although I will not be using up my stash of Fram TGs I will concede that they do in fact have a much better flow rate than the competition.
I stand corrected. 🧍‍♂️

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So a picture of a filter with the pleats torn out is some side proof that the filter disintegrated during use?

What should we believe next? Wait, I’ll post a picture of how the Hengst filter disintegrated on my VW.

I do want you to know that I really have been trying to find the thread about this but I can’t. I saw this post of yours from 2018 but there’s no reference:

 
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I neglected to mention one discussion point in my OP--

Is it possible that a leaky Ultra could outperform a nonleaky filter with lesser media? Certainly it's possible, but it depends on what you are comparing.

An Ultra that fails the "flashlight test" still has a ton more flow area through the media than it does through the endplate gap. Think of the relative cross sectional flow area (effective orifice size) of the "defect gap" vs the media. Obviously the media is MUCH larger a flow area. The media has to accrue a fair bit of restriction before an appreciable fraction of flow prefers to go through the leak path vs the media.


For sake of illustration and exploration, let's say that a leaky Ultra starts out with 5% of the flow going through the leaky endplate when new and rises as high as 20% as the filter approaches the end of its life.


How much actual efficiency is lost? Well, the Ultra is supposedly a 99% at 20 micron, so that's a ß100 performance at >20 micron. But if only 95% of the flow is passing through it, the effective Beta is only ß95@20µ at beginning of life. And at end of life it would drop to ß75@20µ.

Compare that to a Micro guard Select that is ß100 (99% efficient) at 25µ.

Because Beta ratio changes so much with particle cutoff, it's almost certain that a leaky Ultra at 20 micron beats a non leaky Microguard at 25 micron. Even at the end of the Ultra's life where it's lost efficiency, it's almost certainly still better than a brand new non-leak MG Select.

This is because the Ultra being rated way down at 20 microns with a ß100 means that when you rate the Ultra at the 25 microns that the MG Select is rated, the Ultra is likely to be closer to ß1000 or even higher. Let's conservatively say it only rises to ß500 at 25 microns.

If the Ultra's media is effectively ß500 at 25µ vs the ß100 of the Microguard Select, that means the Ultra could internally leak 80% of the flow and still be just as good as the Microguard Select.

Now I haven't seen all the "flashlight test" photos floating around, but I've yet to see any gap large enough to pass anything close to 80% of the total oil pump outlet flow when the proportionally large surface area of the media is available.

Yes, it's bad that the Ultras leak internally. But it's not at all so bad that it's worth going to a much lesser media to try and get away from.

Internal leakage isn't great, but it has to be pretty bad to give up running some of the best media available in many applications.
 
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I neglected to mention one discussion point in my OP--

Is it possible that a leaky Ultra could outperform a nonleaky filter with lesser media? Certainly it's possible, but it depends on what you are comparing.

An Ultra that fails the "flashlight test" still has a ton more flow area through the media than it does through the endplate gap. Think of the relative cross sectional flow area (effective orifice size) of the "defect gap" vs the media. Obviously the media is MUCH larger a flow area. The media has to accrue a fair bit of restriction before an appreciable fraction of flow prefers to go through the leak path vs the media.


For sake of illustration and exploration, let's say that a leaky Ultra starts out with 5% of the flow going through the leaky endplate when new and rises as high as 20% as the filter approaches the end of its life.


How much actual efficiency is lost? Well, the Ultra is supposedly a 99% at 20 micron, so that's a ß100 performance at >20 micron. But if only 95% of the flow is passing through it, the effective Beta is only ß95@20µ at beginning of life. And at end of life it would drop to ß75@20µ.

Compare that do a Micro guard Select that is ß100 (99% efficient) at 25µ.

Because Beta ratio changes so much with particle cutoff, it's almost certain that a leaky Ultra at 20 micron beats a non leaky Microguard at 25 micron. Even at the end of the Ultra's life where it's lost efficiency, it's almost certainly still better than a brand new non-leak MG Select.

This is because the Ultra being rated way down at 20 microns with a ß100 means that when you rate the Ultra at the 25 microns that the MG Select is rated, the Ultra is likely to be closer to ß1000 or even higher. Let's conservatively say it only rises to ß500 at 25 microns.

If the Ultra's media is effectively ß500 at 25µ vs the ß100 of the Microguard Select, that means the Ultra could internally leak 80% of the flow and still be just as good as the Microguard Select.

Now I haven't seen all the "flashlight test" photos floating around, but I've yet to see any gap large enough to pass anything close to 80% of the total oil pump outlet flow when the proportionally large surface area of the media is available.

Yes, it's bad that the Ultras leak internally. But it's not at all so bad that it's worth going to a much lesser media to try and get away from.

Internal leakage isn't great, but it has to be pretty bad to give up running some of the best media available in many applications.
We’ve had some pretty bad particle counts on what we assume have to be leaking Ultras. One even being beat by a Boss if you believe BR test results. I measured the gaps in a leaky Endurance and it’s to the tune of two .75”x.020” holes. Much bigger than most tears. Math was done in that thread and conservative estimates were 10-15% leakage.

Also the Microgard Select efficiency numbers are 98.7@15 99.5%@20 and 99.9@25.
 
We’ve had some pretty bad particle counts on what we assume have to be leaking Ultras. One even being beat by a Boss if you believe BR test results. I measured the gaps in a leaky Endurance and it’s to the tune of two .75”x.020” holes. Much bigger than most tears. Math was done in that thread and conservative estimates were 10-15% leakage.

Also the Microgard Select efficiency numbers are 98.7@15 99.5%@20 and 99.9@25.
Thanks for bringing that data in. With those corrected inputs, the conclusion may indeed be quite different.

I have no axe to grind against MG Select-- it's on the car I took to work today. It's quite impressive to me that the fall off below 25 microns is so gradual. Basically we're going from a ß1000filter at 25 microns to ß200@ 20 microns to ß77 at 15 microns.

It's reassuring to know that the efficiency curve of of the MG doesn't rise fast with higher micron size or fall off a cliff at lower sizes.

I do think that a leaky ultra might not be the end of the world based on the reasoning of my prior post, but I don't know what a "BR test" is?

I've gotten my van to 200k+ on M1-110s which are hardly the best filters around. So I'm certainly OK with anything better than it.
 
It's reassuring to know that the efficiency curve of of the MG doesn't rise fast with higher micron size or fall off a cliff at lower sizes.

I do think that a leaky ultra might not be the end of the world based on the reasoning of my prior post, but I don't know what a "BR test" is?
I appreciate your posts thank you. Sorry, BR is a YouTube channel called Brands Ranked. He attempted an oil filter efficiency test that very loosely followed ISO 4548-12. Most of his results don’t match to say the least.

Bellow is an idea of the PG efficiency curve that I verified with PG technical assistance.

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I appreciate your posts thank you. Sorry, BR is a YouTube channel called Brands Ranked. He attempted an oil filter efficiency test that very loosely followed ISO 4548-12. Most of his results don’t match to say the least.

Bellow is an idea of the PG efficiency curve that I verified with PG technical assistance.
So PG= PremiumGuard= MIcroGuard=Service Pro? All the same?
 
I have had time to relect on my poorly chosen words on the Fram TG. I of all people should have known better. My apologies to all involved and although I will not be using up my stash of Fram TGs I will concede that they do in fact have a much better flow rate than the competition.
I stand corrected. 🧍‍♂️

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It’s be in a group or out, no standing in the doorway. And the group sticks together. Why, I don’t know since they clearly have decided on their oil filter, even the store. One of life’s milestone decisions to make.
I want USA or at least Americas. That’s why I am waiting for the latest Fram XG4967 with the nylon core cut open.
If there was an Americas and Europe oil filter forum and an Asian oil filters forum maybe it would be better.
 
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It’s be in a group or out, no standing in the doorway. And the group sticks together. Why, I don’t know since they clearly have decided on their oil filter, even the store. One of life’s milestone decisions to make.
I want USA or at least Americas. That’s why I am waiting for the latest Fram XG4967 with the nylon core cut open.
If there was an Americas oil filter forum and an Asian oil filters forum maybe it would be better.
Yup I get it...I have a stash of the OG 4967 which I will definitely use...
TGs ...overated ....not my cup of tea.
 
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