Filter Direct Injection Soot Particles: How Big?

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In the 'Lubrizol Article Link Here' the following was stated: "A second issue is that the particulates entering the oil via blowby gases increase wear rates. A number of OEMs have noted issues with cam-chain wear when they switch from port fuel injectors to GDI."

Do premium oil filters that are considered better filters get out the size of carbon soot particles that direct injection gasoline engines are generating? I think a Fram Ultra is 99% at > 20 microns, and maybe something like 50% at > 5 microns or so. How big are the soot particles?
 
The FRAM Ultra is over 80% efficient@5 microns, Yes, GDI engines are very hard on oil and filtration. Using the oil recommended by the OE and the best possible filtration will be key to long engine life on GDI engines. I have a video about them on my youtube channel Cadzillals6.
 
The mechanical pump puts alot of pressure on the camshaft it rides on. Timing chains and guides require better oil are the mechanical things, injecting fuel directly into the cylinder causes soot build up in the intake tract and carbon build up on intake valves. Here is a video I made that shows GDI in depth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oE9JCmsxeg
 
Soot particles, as I have read, are fractions of a micron in size. Oil additives prevent them from agglomerating into sludge. An oil filter, even a bypass filter, cannot capture individual soot particles.

This is why I think those demos in which the filters turn black oil clear have particles added to them that are larger than naturally occurring soot particles.

I think the smallest ones are not harmful, though. This is why you can't really tell much about oil from its color. A good friend's dad was an early adopter of Mobil 1 in the 70's. Remember, this was when Mobil claimed you could go 25K between oil changes. He did that with Mercedes diesels. The oil would be black in short order, but he would put 300,000 miles on an engine.
 
Originally Posted By: tratman2000
If gdi is so efficient what makes them harder on oil? I have 2 kia sorentos 1 is gdi no uoa but haven't seen any difference yet only 2 oci.
DI engines may increase fuel dilution of the oil compared to port fuel injected engines. Also, as mentioned in the Lubrizol article I linked to in the original post, carbon soot particles are formed more in DI engines. Also see Page 7 of SWRI DI article Link Here, the left column, for an explanation of how DI forms more soot.
 
Originally Posted By: DBMaster
Soot particles, as I have read, are fractions of a micron in size. Oil additives prevent them from agglomerating into sludge. An oil filter, even a bypass filter, cannot capture individual soot particles.


OK, I confirmed your factoid using a 2011 SWRI Article Link Click Here (page 7) where they discuss the carbon particle sizes are in the range of 0.005 to 0.3 microns. Since oil filters, as Motorking deftly pointed out, are good down to around 5 microns in even the best ones (Fram Ultra), and we know bypass filters and MicroGreen oil filters can only get us to 2 microns, oil filters don't get out much soot.
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Originally Posted By: DBMaster
I think the smallest ones are not harmful, though. This is why you can't really tell much about oil from its color.


Lubrizol thinks the wear rates go up in DI engines due to the soot. I know you might assume those tiny particle sizes shouldn't be a problem. Lubrizol might be referring to GM's move to cut the Oil Life Monitor OLM intervals in half on DI V6 engines a few years ago.
 
Originally Posted By: Motorking
The FRAM Ultra is over 80% efficient@5 microns, Yes, GDI engines are very hard on oil and filtration. Using the oil recommended by the OE and the best possible filtration will be key to long engine life on GDI engines. I have a video about them on my youtube channel Cadzillals6.


Thanks Motorking. Getting those tiny soot particles out of the oil is a bridge too far, as they are less than 1 micron in size as I've learned. Maybe when they conglomerate (aka, 'glob together') the filter might catch them at least.
 
I cannot comment on the GDI soot size issue; not researched it enough yet to understand the differences aside from port injection.


However, soot is generally WAY smaller than any normal filter is going to catch, at least when it starts out. So filtration is meaningless in that regard.

As the add-pack degrades over time, it becomes overwhelmed and soot starts to agglomerate (co-join) into ever-larger particles. This is not an event that happens like a light-switch; it's not "off" for XXXX miles and then suddenly comes "on" when the next mile passes. Rather, it's a slow, cumulative effect that probably has some form of parabolic response curve. Think of plaque in your arteries and you get the idea ...

This is one reason I constantly try to remind folks that while filtration is very important, it is NOT the controlling entity in wear control. Once a finite level of necessary filtration is established, "more" of it really does not have effect on the wear rate curve.

Additionally, the SAE study I often reference shows that as the OCI goes up, the wear rate goes down, despite the continued production of soot. This indicates that until the add-pack is usurped, the tribo-chemical barrier is probably the MAJOR player in wear reduction. You cannot conveniently avoid this very important portion of the overall wear topic.

Soot production in an engine is generally a constant based upon your specific engine and type of driving. You'll generate "X" grams of soot for every 1k miles you move. So just like Fe, soot tends to be cumulative with the OCI.

But this is not a reason for those who employ a short OCI to jump off the couch and scream for victory ... Not at all. Because of today's very clean running engines, and good quality oils, you can easily run LONG OCIs and still have good low wear. Those of us who actually practice what we preach, can show long OCIs with soot/insolubles still at acceptable numbers.

What folks need to understand is the wear comes from several sources, and each component has a job to do. Silica intrusion comes from the air ingestion, and so air filters are very important. Soot comes from incomplete combustion and starts out VERY small, so the dispersents and detergents are very important. Modern fuel systems help reduce soot generation. Metal wear particles that are large, as well as silicates that are large, are caught by the oil filter. The tribochemical barrier helps keep metal-on-metal contact to a minimum, and can almost make it non-existent, even at start-up. They all work together in concert to provide a low wear environment. .

Now, if GDI does indeed produce more soot, then it's likely to have effect on the OCI duration. But only testing will confirm the duration that would be safe; conjecture has no place for those who treasure factual basis for solid decisions.
 
You guys should check out the TRT filters we make for the HD market. These address the shortened OCI's of larger trucks once they went to EGR systems. The TRT filter actually maintains the oil
 
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