Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by Mainia
Hyundai has a questionable OEM filter, "a swiss cheese" filter because they need to open up flow. But for some reason, weight and quality of manufacturing seems to trump actual low micron filtering performance by some people. I get it, better safe with the OEM filter as far as warranty. But in the USA we have the Magnusen-Moss Warranty Act, so we can use any filter speced for the car.
I had one in a 2013 Elantra GT at 14,000 miles. That was a piston to cylinder wall issue that was caught by me because the debris takes out the lifters and you get the Hyundai tick of death sound. That was on a motor that was not on the BS crank debris list they were hiding behind. I was running Mobil 1 and Fram Ultras at 3,000-3,500 change intervals because of my wife's short tripping in Minnesota winters. Hyundai wanted to void my warranty because of the Fram Ultra. Within i second after that was said in a vague way I might add. I said "you can't void my warranty by US law, The Magnusen-Moss Warranty Act says I have the right to use any filter I want as long as it was speced for that car." NOTHING was ever said after those words where spoke by me.
There have been many Magnusen-Moss Warranty Act discussions in this forum about this in the past. After the dust settled, it was shown that a car company can deny warranty IF they determined the aftermarket part was the actual cause of the failure.
So in the case of an oil filter that caused an engine related failure, Hyundai would say they were not going to cover the warranty, and instead tell you to contact the filter manufacturer to make a warranty claim. Now if a car company says (for example) that they weren't going to cover a blown out differential under warranty because of the aftermarket oil filter, then that's obviously wrong. Or if they denied warranty of a failed water pump on the engine because of the aftermarket oil filter, again obviously wrong.
Hyundai tried to deny my Elantra GTon the oil filter and that was put to a stop really quick. But that was dumb ars dealer BS at first, I guarantee you the Fram Ultra oil filter was brought up and it passed without question. They also have to prove it in court, otherwise it defaults to me winning and them covering it. They just can use a sweeping generality saying "sorry talk to Fram". Otherwise that is what they do in Canada, ha ha ha, not far from the truth, there. And with 300,000 Hyundai's needing new engines in 10 years because of oil/metallurgy/design issues, good luck in court Hyundai. Too many warranty worriers on top tier aftermarket filters, that worry never needs to happen. The last thing I want to run is a crap filtering oil filter for 100,000 miles on a car that get trashed on with sport driving, just because I am worrying about a filter warranty.
Now, I wanted to run an acu-sump or a racing baffled oil pan, but THERE is an opening where Hyundai could easily kill you on warranty if you had an oiling issue. Fearing that makes sense, fearing about warranty on Fram Ultra oil filter almost never. They would just put in a new motor.
Originally Posted by Mainia
Hyundai has a questionable OEM filter, "a swiss cheese" filter because they need to open up flow. But for some reason, weight and quality of manufacturing seems to trump actual low micron filtering performance by some people. I get it, better safe with the OEM filter as far as warranty. But in the USA we have the Magnusen-Moss Warranty Act, so we can use any filter speced for the car.
I had one in a 2013 Elantra GT at 14,000 miles. That was a piston to cylinder wall issue that was caught by me because the debris takes out the lifters and you get the Hyundai tick of death sound. That was on a motor that was not on the BS crank debris list they were hiding behind. I was running Mobil 1 and Fram Ultras at 3,000-3,500 change intervals because of my wife's short tripping in Minnesota winters. Hyundai wanted to void my warranty because of the Fram Ultra. Within i second after that was said in a vague way I might add. I said "you can't void my warranty by US law, The Magnusen-Moss Warranty Act says I have the right to use any filter I want as long as it was speced for that car." NOTHING was ever said after those words where spoke by me.
There have been many Magnusen-Moss Warranty Act discussions in this forum about this in the past. After the dust settled, it was shown that a car company can deny warranty IF they determined the aftermarket part was the actual cause of the failure.
So in the case of an oil filter that caused an engine related failure, Hyundai would say they were not going to cover the warranty, and instead tell you to contact the filter manufacturer to make a warranty claim. Now if a car company says (for example) that they weren't going to cover a blown out differential under warranty because of the aftermarket oil filter, then that's obviously wrong. Or if they denied warranty of a failed water pump on the engine because of the aftermarket oil filter, again obviously wrong.
Hyundai tried to deny my Elantra GTon the oil filter and that was put to a stop really quick. But that was dumb ars dealer BS at first, I guarantee you the Fram Ultra oil filter was brought up and it passed without question. They also have to prove it in court, otherwise it defaults to me winning and them covering it. They just can use a sweeping generality saying "sorry talk to Fram". Otherwise that is what they do in Canada, ha ha ha, not far from the truth, there. And with 300,000 Hyundai's needing new engines in 10 years because of oil/metallurgy/design issues, good luck in court Hyundai. Too many warranty worriers on top tier aftermarket filters, that worry never needs to happen. The last thing I want to run is a crap filtering oil filter for 100,000 miles on a car that get trashed on with sport driving, just because I am worrying about a filter warranty.
Now, I wanted to run an acu-sump or a racing baffled oil pan, but THERE is an opening where Hyundai could easily kill you on warranty if you had an oiling issue. Fearing that makes sense, fearing about warranty on Fram Ultra oil filter almost never. They would just put in a new motor.
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