Feedback on BMW Z4 needed.

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Yesterday we were looking at a 2004 BMW Z4 with 92,000 miles for $12,500 (automatic transmission). From what I could tell, these are pretty darn good cars. The car is in good condition except worn out left side of the back of the driver's seat (I suspect that the driver was big and getting in and out of the car was difficult). My research shows that they are reliable cars. However, it is possible that the expectations for the people on other sites are different.

I trust the BITOGer feedback more, though.

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As with other M54 engines, at this mileage a cooling system overhaul is in order. If it hasn't been done by the previous owner, get ready to spend $1-2K to have it done. This includes new hoses, radiator, expansion tank, thermostat, water pump, etc.

Look around on bmw boards (if you haven't already) to find out of any other typical issues to look out for.

You can also check out:
http://www.truedelta.com/reliability.php
 
Wow...why a new radiator and tank? Is this the case with all BMWs or just ones wih the M54? It's a slippery slope to being a 'throwaway car' if high $$ components have to be replaced before 100K.
 
Originally Posted By: ViragoBry
Wow...why a new radiator and tank? Is this the case with all BMWs or just ones wih the M54? It's a slippery slope to being a 'throwaway car' if high $$ components have to be replaced before 100K.

They're all relatively cheap plastic components that have been shown to fail by 60-80K miles, at least in e46 (previous gen 3 series) and e39 (previous gen 5 series) with that engine. Many owners switch to aluminum radiator while doing the overhaul, but an aftermarket radiator can be pretty expensive. Of course, it's not a guarantee that your cooling system will fail, but if it does and your engine overheats, the potential repair costs would be even higher, so many people just decide to be proactive about it.

In my case, I developed a coolant leak as early as 55k miles, but my car is 7 years old, so age is probably a bigger factor than mileage for me. I had the cracked hose/purge valve replaced. If I decide to keep the car for a while, I'll go ahead with the cooling system overhaul at some point soon. I've been getting all sorts of leaks as of late (cooling, power steering, oil). Can't seem to keep up with them, even though I don't drive this car much - maybe that's the problem in itself - it's become a garage queen.
 
Originally Posted By: ViragoBry
Wow...why a new radiator and tank? Is this the case with all BMWs or just ones wih the M54? It's a slippery slope to being a 'throwaway car' if high $$ components have to be replaced before 100K.

It's sad, but true. Current crop of BMWs seems to focus on performance, but not as much on long term reliability. Most BMWs are leased. That's where BMW makes the most money. BMW would rather have you lease a new one every 3 years. Buying a second-hand BMW can be a costly experience, especially if you don't DIY. Of course you can get one with an extended warranty (up to 6 years/100k miles), but the warranty isn't cheap either. Considering the minimal dealer maintenance that these cars get nowadays, it's typically the second owner that gets stuck with all the problems. But some of the problems (like electrical issues) will just pop up regardless of maintenance performed.

FYI, in my first year of ownership, I spent about $4k on doing preventive maintenance and fixing what broke. The car was 4 years old and had 30k miles when I bought it, just out of warranty. Others had better luck though, AFAIK.
 
I've heard that the newer M54s are much more reliable than the earlier ones. Something from 2004 should be fine IMO.

However, as Quattro Pete said, it's always best to check the BMW forums just in case.
 
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
I've heard that the newer M54s are much more reliable than the earlier ones. Something from 2004 should be fine IMO.

The M54 engine in a 2004 Z4 is essentially the same as the M54 engine in my car. However, the cooling system may indeed be different (I only checked the radiator part number and it appears to be different). It's definitely a good idea to check with members of a Z4 forum to find out what typically goes bad and at what age/mileage.
 
I had a 2004 BMW z4 with the 2.5. Fun to drive and a blast to toss around on twisty roads(turn the nanny off and have fun!). If you plan on using it as a weekend toy it is great, it has no redeemable value for daily driving.. It is hard to get in and out of and has very little cargo capacity. Never could break it or casue any failures in the 2 years I had mine.

I would inspect and make sure their are no integrity issues (leaks or cracks) and if you really like it have fun!
 
For what it's worth my 1999 Model 323i (E46 w/2.5L I-6) is still on the original radiator, hoses, pumps, and all related hardware.

I do a complete drain (to include the block - they included a neat little valve on the side) of the cooling system to include heater core every four years using BMW coolant and distilled water. So far it's been a very reliable system,, knock on wood.

However, I'll never buy another BMW car nor do I recommend them. I feel they're the absolute most overrated vehicle on the market today. If there were a decent support network for the cars I might feel different. My experiences with the dealerships and BMWNA over the past 10 years has been much worse than even the horrid industry leading VW lack of service.

If you take the plunge I hope you enjoy the car. Since you're buying the automatic version of the "Zet Vier" I truthfully feel that you'll miss out on the true beauty of the marque.
 
Originally Posted By: FowVay
Since you're buying the automatic version of the "Zet Vier" I truthfully feel that you'll miss out on the true beauty of the marque.


It's for my wife and will be a highway commute car for 5 days a week.
 
How long is the commute? Is she OK with the ride quality? From all I've read, the Z4 is pretty stiff - great for carving the twisties, but probably annoying elsewhere.

Originally Posted By: FowVay

I feel they're the absolute most overrated vehicle on the market today.

+1
 
Originally Posted By: FowVay
I feel they're the absolute most overrated vehicle on the market today. If there were a decent support network for the cars I might feel different.

Two comments:

1. I had exactly the same thoughts as expressed above when I drove a 2006 325i. It felt like an utterly useless vehicle. Then I drove a 2006 330i -- exactly the same vehicle, even the same options, just with 70 more horsepower -- and it felt sublime. So, I can understand how you'd be a bit sour on the brand after owning a 323i. It's weird, but horsepower totally changes the experience of a BMW, even when you're driving like everyone else on the road. Drive one with more power and you might think differently.

2. The dealer network is a different story. I wholeheartedly agree that it's critical to the experience of owning a car. Around here, the BMW dealers are awesome. However, I've definitely heard some horror stories from people in other areas. I think any prospective owner should look at that before buying.
 
Well, we got it yesterday. The dealer threw in a 3 year warranty.

Pretty decent car although we will be keeping the clunker it's supposed to replace for winter driving. This one has racing tires so it's probably not going to do well on snow.

Quattro Pete, how did your car handle the Chicago last winter?
 
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
Quattro Pete, how did your car handle the Chicago last winter?

Well, it spent most of it in the garage. When I moved from FL, I replaced the summer tires with all-seasons (Bridgestone RE960), but even these don't offer too much grip in the snow. If I was really planning on heavy winter use, I'd get dedicated winter tires for it.
 
Congratulations CivicFan. Hopefully your wife will enjoy the car and it will serve you guys well.

My first European car was a W124 Mercedes-Benz. That car ruined me for all future vehicles. I am now a diehard Euro fan. BMW isn't my favorite,,, but they sure are sweet running cars.
 
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