Federal EV tax credit set to end completely September 30th
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Why is a hybrid better for you? Just curious...
FYI, at first I thought EVs we just toys for rich CA granola heads. Then I thought I needed both an EV and an ICE vehicle (or PHEV).
Now I would probably not buy another ICE vehicle, unless it was a PU.
Gassing up has become an expensive chore. I don't like it. Just "get in and go" is such a no brainier. Add in services that include blue water and checking tire air pressure...
Of course, it depends on one's use case. But I do believe EV onership is not what many think. It's far better.
Full disclosure, we own a nice SUV hybrid, but I consider it wifey's. We hardly use it.
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Gas here is $2.99 and i have a 25 Honda Accord Hybrid.
Had many including a Maverick, C-Max, Insight etc...
Have about a 1000 miles on the Accord and my average over that is just over 59 mpg for the 1k run.
And it continues to rise and last week I had about a 10 mile run you see here.
That is a huge over generalization; oil is sold on the world market.
The US participates in the global oil market, exporting some of its production and importing others. The economics are simple: overseas oil, even after shipping costs, is often cheaper than domestically-produced crude.
In addition, the US does produce enough oil to meet its own needs, but it is the "wrong" type of oil.
The problem is that for many years, imported oil met most of the U.S.’s energy needs, so a large percentage of the refining capacity here is geared towards dealing with oil that is heavier, etc. than the kind produced here.
The world runs on oil. It's complicated.
It would take a sustained 90-95mpg to break even cost wise with my power cost, but that’s pretty solid.
So how is that better than an EV? Great numbers, by the way...
A few winters ago my furnace would stop heating until i reset it.. I installed two space heaters to keep the house warm my electric bill quadrupled. My local energy supplier though my meter was broken as did I. Colorado is one of the cheaper states for electricity. Wouldn't an ev on the east coast be fairly expensive to charge at home?
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Because I can do my 16 hr straight trips and stop once for gas and not worry a bit about it... plus here charging places are not plentiful if I needed to use any. They don't get plentiful for 50 to 60 miles away
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Many here still get 11 cent a kwh electric although a few years back I got it for high 6 cents and now flat rate so I don't think it would be that bad
His companies get so many federal subsidies that he had better quiet down. The president has recently said that maybe they should have DOGE look into Elons subsidies, a subtle threat.
I don’t know. I know how cheap my rates are. I always wonder how much electricity some of you think a car actually takes. At $0.17 kWh running mine dead and fully charging is around $12, so figure about $25 a week for me on a busy week which was $60 a week in gas in my GTI. I traded my F150 for the GTI which was costing me $90 a week in gas. (35mpg vs 18mpg but GTI took premium)
Costs per year to operate, not counting other services. The GTI was the most expensive to maintain though.
Tesla - $1300
GTI - $2970
F150 - $4620
Please tell me more!
I want specifics.
And yet Elon opposed the bill.
As I said earlier Elon Musk has always opposed government handouts even when they seem to benefit him.
Your revisionist history.
The initial EV tax credit for 200,000 vehicles per manufacturer dried up for Tesla about 2016. Tesla still dominated the EV market against all competition which still qualified for the Federal tax credit.
The EV tax credit didn't reappear for Tesla until Biden. Yet for some reason you can not explain Tesla did very well before 2021.
Tesla's current "slump" is just customers waiting for the updated Model Y.
Please list those subsidies for us.
That is the wrong way to calculate cost to operate. Do it $/mile.
My Model Y is using less than 0.25 kWh/mile from the grid according to TeslaFi.com. So at your $0.17/kWh it is $0.0425/mile. If gasoline is $3.00/gallon then one has to get 70 MPG to break even.
I just can’t with an electric car. I still associate them with the electric golf cart we had up north that required $1k in Trojan batteries every 5 years that was often towed home by a gas cart at days end. My neighbor who retired from ford bought into the ev scam and now has a $100k PLUS lightning that can’t tow his boat up to Lake Erie and back without needing a charge and goes even less further in freezing cold. He said and I quote “worst purchase I ever made”! Now he’s stuck with it cause no one wants it. I suppose if I lived in LA and spent all day in my car to drive 50 miles, maybe I’d consider one. Meanwhile I can get 550 miles out of a tank of gas and takes 7 minutes to recharge. I had a Kia freebie from Hertz in Pensacola and it scared the bejesus out of me. Nowhere to charge it, turn on the AC and it lost 40 miles, gun it to get on the expressway and it lost 25. No thanks.
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Toyota holds top 5 of ten car models in the world, year 2024.
Fossil Fuel model overtakes Tesla EV as top selling model 2024 - Toyota (RAV4)
(see link below)
Typically I don’t care about the world compared to USA nor do I care about one specific model vs the total amount of cars a company sells. But I see posts on it all the time in media and forums.
The USA tax EV credit repeal won’t hurt Chinese EVs one bit, nor effect EV world wide sales very much I would think.
It WILL further hammer domestic EV sales and about time those sales stand or fail on their own merit. The USA auto market will stay strong with a fair playground of auto loan interest tax deduction for any USA produced vehicle EV or Fossil fuel. Good times ahead!
https://www.carscoops.com/2025/06/worlds-best-selling-cars-2024-toyota-ev-shakeup/
Fossil Fuel model overtakes Tesla EV as top selling model 2024 - Toyota (RAV4)
(see link below)
Typically I don’t care about the world compared to USA nor do I care about one specific model vs the total amount of cars a company sells. But I see posts on it all the time in media and forums.
The USA tax EV credit repeal won’t hurt Chinese EVs one bit, nor effect EV world wide sales very much I would think.
It WILL further hammer domestic EV sales and about time those sales stand or fail on their own merit. The USA auto market will stay strong with a fair playground of auto loan interest tax deduction for any USA produced vehicle EV or Fossil fuel. Good times ahead!
https://www.carscoops.com/2025/06/worlds-best-selling-cars-2024-toyota-ev-shakeup/
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