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[SwampSurvivor]

Originally Posted By: Clubber_Lang

It is a persons responsibility to better themselves. Being a burger flipper is fine for an after school job. If that is your career ambition, then prepare to be dirt poor. Lack of motivation shouldnt be the taxpayers burden.

At the McDonalds near where I work (yea - I occasionally eat the stuff) there are a lot of somewhat well off older people that work there. Not because they need to, but because they need to feel productive and can't stand sitting at home.

Business doesnt exist to enrich an employees life. Business exists to make money. If the paycheck isnt large enough, get motivated, trained and educated and go find a better job.


Agreed. There aren't always "better" jobs out there - in the case of CNY, but if you stick around long enough, you can get promoted or even hop ship to retail or something and advance through that.

People want to make a lot of money and NOW. Without having to work for it.

Originally Posted By: Clubber_Lang

I made $ 5.15 in my part time high school job. If i had stayed there id be dirt poor and on the govnt dole. I chose to pursue a degree.


When I was working at the McDonalds, there were a few people who were content with what they made. It worked for them.

 

[L_Sludger]

Originally Posted By: eljefino

Who do you think is pitting the middle class against the slightly-less-middle-class?

evil billionaires

 

[rjundi]

We have a local grocery store chain that pays cashiers (full time) around $40k+profit sharing and the prices are beyond cheap. Don't believe the hype, someone is making some serious money off these workers or poor management is setting money afire.

 

[L_Sludger]

Originally Posted By: rjundi
We have a local grocery store chain that pays cashiers (full time) around $40k+profit sharing and the prices are beyond cheap. Don't believe the hype, someone is making some serious money off these workers or poor management is setting money afire.
Margins in the grocery business are razor thin. Something's odd about paying a cashier $20 an hour. Maybe the grocery store is a front for another business?

 

[Thermo1223]

Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
Originally Posted By: Thermo1223
I don't even make 15/hr working in a loose IT position. I didn't go to college but I did acquire the knowledge through the years because I had the drive too.


Is not having a college degree holding you back (salary wise) ?



Somewhat but I now have the issue of do I struggle with 2 kids and push forward with more education or be complacent in life.

I want my wife to further hers first since it would put little economic strain on the family but benefit her greatly. I just wish my job payed for improving yourself.

 

[SteveSRT8]

Originally Posted By: Clubber_Lang

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."

Winston Churchill


Super quote!

And those here in favor of social equalization should note that if a company DOES NOT make a significant profit off of EVERY worker then they won't be around long.

There has never been nor will there ever be a need or a requirement for employees to share in a business's profits beyond their compensation package. The fact that huge numbers of us do share our profits with our employees only shows the generosity of most business owners.

All this hype about profits not being shared with workers is just more social engineering designed to create divisions among the haves and the have nots. And people are buying into it in alarming numbers...

 

[Tempest]

Originally Posted By: eljefino

Well, you said above more than 100 million were on food stamps or EBT, but it takes about 83 programs to get to that number:

http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/10/20/fox-news-echoes-gops-misleading-definition-of-w/190792

Apparently it doesn't strike Media Matters as odd that there are 83 separate Federal programs + numerous State programs to help the "poor", spending $1 Trillion annually, and yet there are still plenty of "poor" people around?

$1,000,000,000,000 / 46,500,000 "in poverty" = $21,505 spent per person considered impoverished. And yet there are still 46+ million impoverished? It's not the War on Poverty it's the War For Poverty....

Quote:

And since the working poor (and non working childred/disabled/elderly) qualify for food stamps, isn't this the point of discussing the minimum wage?

Minimum wages, including those imposed by unions, have dramatically bad consequences for economies:
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2013/09/minimum-wage-madness-and-being.html

Minimum wage is just another wealth transfer scheme, it's just that the government doesn't collect the money first. Whether people are given handouts from taxes or artificially high wages because of minimum wage laws, it's still third party theft.

 

[Thermo1223]

Ignore my glaring spelling mistake above LOL payed=/paid....

Edit: What happened to the

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[Nate1979]

Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: Clubber_Lang

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."

Winston Churchill


Super quote!

And those here in favor of social equalization should note that if a company DOES NOT make a significant profit off of EVERY worker then they won't be around long.

There has never been nor will there ever be a need or a requirement for employees to share in a business's profits beyond their compensation package. The fact that huge numbers of us do share our profits with our employees only shows the generosity of most business owners.

All this hype about profits not being shared with workers is just more social engineering designed to create divisions among the haves and the have nots. And people are buying into it in alarming numbers...


An employee can always share in the profits in their company - they can become a shareholder! (assuming it is not a private company) The shareholders/owners of a company invest their capital in a business and demand a return on that capital. If they don't get a return they will pull the capital out and that company will be out of business. No jobs for the employees! So it is a balancing act of paying your employees enough to keep them working but also keeping your owners happy enough they keep their capital invested.

 

[Win]

Originally Posted By: dlundblad
+1 CL. I work in a grocery store and I see a lot of EBT users. It's pretty easy to pick them out actually. Occasionally I'll see a young single mom with 3 polite well behaved kids (my kind of woman!) but it is rare.. It's usually the extreme opposite.

Usually they have the latest and greatest smartphones too.. And since the government is paying for their food, they have more money for alcohol and tobacco. The $30 bottle of Vodka isn't too pricey now.


Yep.

We own a store, work there several days a week to keep payroll expense down (either before or after I go in to the office - some days both), and have observed exactly the same thing.

Except you left out the extra money it frees up for horrendous, evil, looking tattoos and piercings. I think these people don't even bother with work, and probably don't have to. I can't imagine anyone hiring them. I certainly wouldn't.

The government is relentlessly putting as many people on the dole as possible. When we had our most recent child, two years ago, I was shocked and appalled at all the calls we got from the assistance people, and the tenacity they displayed, in trying to extend us the government cheese for whatever kids are eligible for these days.

They have so mainstreamed it, there is no longer any shame associated with it, and hard work over long hours no longer seems to be seen as a virtue - it's just being evil rich one per centers.

The country is really being taken for a ride. I wonder how much longer it can go on.

 

[SwampSurvivor]

Originally Posted By: Win
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
+1 CL. I work in a grocery store and I see a lot of EBT users. It's pretty easy to pick them out actually. Occasionally I'll see a young single mom with 3 polite well behaved kids (my kind of woman!) but it is rare.. It's usually the extreme opposite.

Usually they have the latest and greatest smartphones too.. And since the government is paying for their food, they have more money for alcohol and tobacco. The $30 bottle of Vodka isn't too pricey now.



Yep.

We own a store, work there several days a week to keep payroll expense down (either before or after I go in to the office - some days both), and have observed exactly the same thing.

Except you left out the extra money it frees up for horrendous, evil, looking tattoos and piercings. I think these people don't even bother with work, and probably don't have to. I can't imagine anyone hiring them. I certainly wouldn't.

The government is relentlessly putting as many people on the dole as possible. When we had our most recent child, two years ago, I was shocked and appalled at all the calls we got from the assistance people, and the tenacity they displayed, in trying to extend us the government cheese for whatever kids are eligible for these days.

They have so mainstreamed it, there is no longer any shame associated with it, and hard work over long hours no longer seems to be seen as a virtue - it's just being evil rich one per centers.

The country is really being taken for a ride. I wonder how much longer it can go on.



At this point there is no turning back. Just a complete colapse.

 

[dlundblad]

Originally Posted By: Miller88
Originally Posted By: Win
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
+1 CL. I work in a grocery store and I see a lot of EBT users. It's pretty easy to pick them out actually. Occasionally I'll see a young single mom with 3 polite well behaved kids (my kind of woman!) but it is rare.. It's usually the extreme opposite.

Usually they have the latest and greatest smartphones too.. And since the government is paying for their food, they have more money for alcohol and tobacco. The $30 bottle of Vodka isn't too pricey now.



Yep.

We own a store, work there several days a week to keep payroll expense down (either before or after I go in to the office - some days both), and have observed exactly the same thing.

Except you left out the extra money it frees up for horrendous, evil, looking tattoos and piercings. I think these people don't even bother with work, and probably don't have to. I can't imagine anyone hiring them. I certainly wouldn't.

The government is relentlessly putting as many people on the dole as possible. When we had our most recent child, two years ago, I was shocked and appalled at all the calls we got from the assistance people, and the tenacity they displayed, in trying to extend us the government cheese for whatever kids are eligible for these days.

They have so mainstreamed it, there is no longer any shame associated with it, and hard work over long hours no longer seems to be seen as a virtue - it's just being evil rich one per centers.

The country is really being taken for a ride. I wonder how much longer it can go on.



At this point there is no turning back. Just a complete colapse.


I always leave work with a little less faith in humanity. Lol.

 

[Clubber_Lang]

The plan, I believe, is to eventually get 90% of people completeley on the Gov dole. A fast track to this is welfare that encourages being a single parent. Then, the Gov becomes the households "daddy"

This is where we are headed: free healthcare for all (Gov) Free food for all---its your right to eat! (Gov) Free housing for all---having a roof over your head is a right!! (Gov) Free everything!!! Its your right (Gov)

Socialism leads to communism, and communism leads to death!

 

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
Originally Posted By: rjundi
We have a local grocery store chain that pays cashiers (full time) around $40k+profit sharing and the prices are beyond cheap. Don't believe the hype, someone is making some serious money off these workers or poor management is setting money afire.
Margins in the grocery business are razor thin. Something's odd about paying a cashier $20 an hour. Maybe the grocery store is a front for another business?


I know the place...and no, it's a very popular chain with customers loyal to the point of fanaticism.

 

[Trav]

Originally Posted By: Clubber_Lang
The plan, I believe, is to eventually get 90% of people completeley on the Gov dole. A fast track to this is welfare that encourages being a single parent. Then, the Gov becomes the households "daddy"

This is where we are headed: free healthcare for all (Gov) Free food for all---its your right to eat! (Gov) Free housing for all---having a roof over your head is a right!! (Gov) Free everything!!! Its your right (Gov)

Socialism leads to communism, and communism leads to death!


Thats all true. The line between Socialism and Communism is getting more blurred than ever.
The USSR called itself a Socialist state while the DDR (East Germany) called itself a Democracy (Deutsche Demokratische Republik). Hitler was a theoretical Social Democrat that sorta went off the rails.
These countries also have another thing in common, their guest worker programs although to their credit they didn't allow them to become citizens so they could get rid of them when they felt like it or needed to.

Any country that embarked on this form of Government regardless of the nice sounding labels they attach to it like Liberal, Democrat, progressive (all words thrown around in the DDR), etc is bound for failure and has laid the foundation for its own painful demise.

This is not political just historical fact.

 

[ALS]

The story that the media hasn't been telling is Seattle is what has been happening across the city is surcharges on bills. These businesses are throwing in a new line on the bill minimum wage surcharge which so far is around a $1. By 2017 or 18 I'll bet that surcharge is going to be $2.50 or more. There was story a few weeks ago that landlords are getting panicky because they're being told by many small businesses that they will not be renewing their leases.

As others have said you get what you pay for, I pay my employees market plus. The best part is I make it well known how I pay when ever I run a want ad. I really want the employees at any of my competitors to feel that they are making dirt wages. My biggest competitor a franchise opened up three years ago about a mile and half away. The location hasn't made money since they opened and the staff is pretty ticked off. They're upset due to not making the money they think they're worth. I understand they are presently upping their pay to what my employees are making, by subsidizing themselves through the cash register.

Basically the owner thinks the place is really slow, no the employees are not ringing the sales into the register. It is a service, labor intense related business with a very low cost of goods so it's pretty hard to pick up on the theft.

I understand the owner who's absentee, is losing about $1000 a week so I know they will be gone when the lease comes up in 22 months. One of owners best friends is a good friend of mine so I hear all the dirt that is going on with the business.

When there was talk of a $10.10 minimum wage I was thrilled to hear it because I know that it would put half of my competitors out of business.

Works like this at $8.00 an hour the market can support 50 pizza shops selling a medium pizza at $14.99. Minimum wage goes to $15 an hour a medium Pizza jumps to $21.99 and now only 20 pizza shops can survive in the area. Reason is the public will only pay so much for a product, Econ 101 supply and demand. By increasing prices you create less demand.

It is a great subject to discuss but there is no political motivation nationally to raise the minimum wage other than lip service during an election year.

 

[aquariuscsm]

 

[eljefino]

Originally Posted By: ALS


Works like this at $8.00 an hour the market can support 50 pizza shops selling a medium pizza at $14.99. Minimum wage goes to $15 an hour a medium Pizza jumps to $21.99 and now only 20 pizza shops can survive in the area. Reason is the public will only pay so much for a product,


Yes but if visiting a doctor formerly cost 20 pizzas but now costs 15, the cost delta is narrowing. However, 20 pizzas are still worth 60 big macs, so among the poor, their inter-min-wage-barter remains as it was. Actions don't happen in a vacuum, the basis of macroeconomics 101.

Any business owner looking at his competition and costs but ignores benefits to the wallets of his customers and community is only looking at half the picture.

 

[Mr Nice]

How difficult would it be for fast food employees to unionize ?

 

[Merkava_4]

A $15.00 an hour minimum wage would cause prices to go up 38 percent according to this link.